I suspect that for political advantage Farage will lead the 'not what we voted for' charge; he never specified what Brexit he wanted so he can always hammer the government with this faux criticism.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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I suspect that for political advantage Farage will lead the 'not what we voted for' charge; he never specified what Brexit he wanted so he can always hammer the government with this faux criticism.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Yet we keep being told they knew what they voted for.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,849
Swivel-eyed Brexit loons don't like Brexit. Who could have guessed
#fantasymeetsreality
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,849
Given that three weeks after the deal was signed, it's become blindingly obvious that the Government still don't know what they negotiated, I think that claiming to know what was voted for 4.5 years ago is being shown to be a little ......... er ..... 'optimistic'
#fantasymeetsreality
Anyway
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nicko31
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Swivel-eyed Brexit loons don't like Brexit. Who could have guessed
#fantasymeetsreality
I know people have been taking bets on how long it will take before the UK threatens to break International Law (again) on an agreement they've signed up to
Always was a bit mythed why Brexiters thought it was such a good deal.
The problem with Brexit is when you write it down it all falls apart
Enough of this sh1t, I need crack open a beer
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
Wordplay... mistype... even you knows that TB doesn't think that the UK is a third world country. You're playing your little games again, all so you can call a fellow-Albion supporter a liar.
Judge Taylor wouldn't be a bit impressed.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,894
Surprise surprise "Brexit will increase food supply chain costs, warn business groups "
I think most of us saw this coming, thank God for blue passports though !
Brexit red tape is likely to increase food supply chain costs, the Food and Drink Federation has warned.
Chief executive Ian Wright told MPs that there will be short and long-term costs to "re-engineering" supply chains.
The British Retail Consortium warned of further possible shortages of some products in Northern Ireland supermarkets.
And manufacturers were concerned that Brexit bureaucracy will push up costs.
There will be extra food supply chain costs due to more paperwork, Mr Wright told MPs on the Future Relationship with the European Union Committee on Wednesday.
"Unless the deal changes in some material way, we're going to see the re-engineering of almost all the EU-UK and GB-NI supply chains over the next six to nine months," Mr Wright said.
"In the short term there will be costs and time wasted for supply to reach the shelves, and in the long term will be costs and changes, and fairly significant changes, to the way in which manufacturers in the UK and in the EU interact when they are producing product," he said.
Mr Wright criticised the bureaucracy that his members are now facing when trying to export from the UK to the EU.
He used the example of one company that used to complete the necessary paperwork within 3 hours, but it was now taking them 5 days.
He said the government had struck a deal with the European Union too late for food and beverage companies to get ready for the new regulations which came into force at the end of 2020.
Ports problems
British ports have been contending with a number of pressures over the past months, including from new Brexit systems and the coronavirus crisis.
The pressure on ports for companies doing trade with the European Union will get worse before it gets better, Mr Wright added.
There are currently around 2,000 lorries per day crossing between Dover and Calais, when there are normally 10,000.
He added that traffic between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is also very light, so the systems in place haven't really been fully tested yet.
'Supermarket disruption'
Andrew Opie, director of food and sustainability at the British Retail Consortium said significant disruption for supermarkets moving products from Great Britain into Northern Ireland could be expected from April onwards unless the government deals with the fact that the grace period on Export Health Certificates will come to an end.
There is currently a three-month grace period from the EU which exempts full certification for all products of animal origin.
BSupply problems for NI supermarkets being 'overcome'
BMP says teething problem remark is an 'insult'
BSupermarkets call for action on NI food supplies
"Northern Ireland is a particular problem, there is no doubt about that, and a particular problem for UK supermarkets," Mr Opie said. "If we don't find a workable solution for retailers in the next couple of months we do face significant disruption in Northern Ireland."
Mr Opie added that the system for trade between the UK and the EU is not set up for just-in-time supermarket supply chains.
Manufacturer costs warning
There are also a large number of small manufacturing businesses who deal directly with the EU that face extra costs, according to Stephen Phipson, chief executive of Make UK.
"We have... around 50,000 manufacturers, which only trade with the EU," he said. "Their businesses are set up to be part of the just-in-time supply chains backwards and forwards across the Channel."
He said for them, trade before the end of the Brexit transition period was internal.
"There was never any paperwork, there was never any requirement to do things like rules of origin calculations, so there was no record-keeping in that respect."
Mr Phipson gave the example of one small business in Huddersfield making LED lenses for cars in the Italian automotive industry.
"For them it's about just in time delivery, so any kind of customs paperwork, rules of origin calculations, for them is very difficult. They're operating on lower [profit] margins, so they're operating typically on a 4% margin, so as soon as you start adding this bureaucracy into it, it adds up."
The Cabinet Office was approached for comment.
Last week the Cabinet Office said that businesses needed to be fully compliant with the new trade rules to avoid disruption.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55632071
I think most of us saw this coming, thank God for blue passports though !
Brexit red tape is likely to increase food supply chain costs, the Food and Drink Federation has warned.
Chief executive Ian Wright told MPs that there will be short and long-term costs to "re-engineering" supply chains.
The British Retail Consortium warned of further possible shortages of some products in Northern Ireland supermarkets.
And manufacturers were concerned that Brexit bureaucracy will push up costs.
There will be extra food supply chain costs due to more paperwork, Mr Wright told MPs on the Future Relationship with the European Union Committee on Wednesday.
"Unless the deal changes in some material way, we're going to see the re-engineering of almost all the EU-UK and GB-NI supply chains over the next six to nine months," Mr Wright said.
"In the short term there will be costs and time wasted for supply to reach the shelves, and in the long term will be costs and changes, and fairly significant changes, to the way in which manufacturers in the UK and in the EU interact when they are producing product," he said.
Mr Wright criticised the bureaucracy that his members are now facing when trying to export from the UK to the EU.
He used the example of one company that used to complete the necessary paperwork within 3 hours, but it was now taking them 5 days.
He said the government had struck a deal with the European Union too late for food and beverage companies to get ready for the new regulations which came into force at the end of 2020.
Ports problems
British ports have been contending with a number of pressures over the past months, including from new Brexit systems and the coronavirus crisis.
The pressure on ports for companies doing trade with the European Union will get worse before it gets better, Mr Wright added.
There are currently around 2,000 lorries per day crossing between Dover and Calais, when there are normally 10,000.
He added that traffic between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is also very light, so the systems in place haven't really been fully tested yet.
'Supermarket disruption'
Andrew Opie, director of food and sustainability at the British Retail Consortium said significant disruption for supermarkets moving products from Great Britain into Northern Ireland could be expected from April onwards unless the government deals with the fact that the grace period on Export Health Certificates will come to an end.
There is currently a three-month grace period from the EU which exempts full certification for all products of animal origin.
BSupply problems for NI supermarkets being 'overcome'
BMP says teething problem remark is an 'insult'
BSupermarkets call for action on NI food supplies
"Northern Ireland is a particular problem, there is no doubt about that, and a particular problem for UK supermarkets," Mr Opie said. "If we don't find a workable solution for retailers in the next couple of months we do face significant disruption in Northern Ireland."
Mr Opie added that the system for trade between the UK and the EU is not set up for just-in-time supermarket supply chains.
Manufacturer costs warning
There are also a large number of small manufacturing businesses who deal directly with the EU that face extra costs, according to Stephen Phipson, chief executive of Make UK.
"We have... around 50,000 manufacturers, which only trade with the EU," he said. "Their businesses are set up to be part of the just-in-time supply chains backwards and forwards across the Channel."
He said for them, trade before the end of the Brexit transition period was internal.
"There was never any paperwork, there was never any requirement to do things like rules of origin calculations, so there was no record-keeping in that respect."
Mr Phipson gave the example of one small business in Huddersfield making LED lenses for cars in the Italian automotive industry.
"For them it's about just in time delivery, so any kind of customs paperwork, rules of origin calculations, for them is very difficult. They're operating on lower [profit] margins, so they're operating typically on a 4% margin, so as soon as you start adding this bureaucracy into it, it adds up."
The Cabinet Office was approached for comment.
Last week the Cabinet Office said that businesses needed to be fully compliant with the new trade rules to avoid disruption.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55632071
pastafarian
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When the nose fits
Randy McNob
Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
- Jun 13, 2020
- 4,457
Exactly what we voted for.....they need us more than we need them....
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An interesting comment...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/brexit-done-dividend-policy
One extract...
The emotional importance of Brexit should never be underestimated. Support for it will always depend more upon feelings than realities. Yet the plain fact is that there has been no material Brexit dividend of any kind in the first two weeks of the break. Perhaps that does not matter. Perhaps a dividend will come. But perhaps the EU has also succeeded in showing there are real costs to leaving.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/13/brexit-done-dividend-policy
One extract...
The emotional importance of Brexit should never be underestimated. Support for it will always depend more upon feelings than realities. Yet the plain fact is that there has been no material Brexit dividend of any kind in the first two weeks of the break. Perhaps that does not matter. Perhaps a dividend will come. But perhaps the EU has also succeeded in showing there are real costs to leaving.
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
- 31,981
Marvelous scenes
Regards
DF
Regards
DF
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
It means 5000 meaningless posts on this thread are within reach.
Randy McNob
Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
- Jun 13, 2020
- 4,457
Mental Lental
Well-known member
I wonder when people voted to restrict Freedom of Movement if they realised it meant restrictions and fines for moving around your own country.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-l...zmlT9o2M-hU2vARlzAbclto2uQeqBvlEBi1IPFEGk59nn
Top Sovereignty.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-l...zmlT9o2M-hU2vARlzAbclto2uQeqBvlEBi1IPFEGk59nn
Top Sovereignty.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
It's nuts isn't it, when people have to claim they didn't do important aspects of their job, to excuse the poor results of not having done their job very well, because the alternative to not being bothered, is being diligent but stupid.
nicko31
Well-known member
Victoria "Apprentice" more like it. It hard to think of time when the quality of government ministers has been so low.
Apparently there is £100m available over the next few years for fisheries but the way things are going many will be bankrupt by then.
Johnson needs to launch a Brexit victims fund and fast...
- Jul 10, 2003
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I have noticed posters sniping on Brexit on various other threads on the Main Board and rather than take those threads of topic, I think it would be better to quote the posts here so they can actually be challenged with simple facts.
That [MENTION=17103]Mo Gosfield[/MENTION] was caught out simply lying. On the week of the referendum he stated
And, when his case was taken apart objectively and factually, 2 months ago, he posted
And when called out as a liar, he hasn't been seen since, but continues to snipe at Brexit from other threads.
Anyway, while we are on the subject of Brexit, is it going the way you hoped when you voted for it
That [MENTION=17103]Mo Gosfield[/MENTION] was caught out simply lying. On the week of the referendum he stated
And, when his case was taken apart objectively and factually, 2 months ago, he posted
And when called out as a liar, he hasn't been seen since, but continues to snipe at Brexit from other threads.
Anyway, while we are on the subject of Brexit, is it going the way you hoped when you voted for it
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