[Politics] Brexit

Pretty pink fairy said:

leave or remain ................tell me who won ?
regards
DR

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cjd said:

Who won .....??/

Absolutely no-one has won.


We are all losers sadly.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

is that a fact ?
regards
DR

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Plooks said:

Some of the mods are showing their Nazi sympathising ways and censoring any comments against racists.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

thus ignoring the electorate , yes that makes sense
regards
Dunce Rectum

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Pretty pink fairy said:

leave or remain ................tell me who won ?
regards
DR

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Plooks said:

Well I think if you complain about a blantly offensive and racist poster who posts Nazi slogans constantly and the mods who respond go nah thats ok, then it is pretty clear its those mods and not me.

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The Rivet said:

Plooks if I said I admired the German efficiency and work ethic leading up to and during the war years, Rommels obvious ability, The engineering and inventability, particularly rocketry would I be a Nazi?

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GrizzlingGammon said:

That's wrong. No one voted for an outright, clean cut leave. How we left was not on the voting slip. I see why you keep asking what was on the slip.

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Guy Fawkes said:

The question asked was remain or leave, not Leave but only if there is a deal first. A no deal is an outcome that exactly matches the votes result, to leave, and leaving with a deal in place (which the contents could never be predicted before the vote) exactly matches the referendum outcome too, to leave. How we leave shouldn't matter, just the amount of notice given to those who will be affected by it matters, the sooner the way we leave is set in stone, the better for business (with a deal or with a no deal, it doesn't matter along as there is plenty of notice for them to plan and prepare)

This dragging of the process of leaving, the delays and the battles to try to stop a no deal Brexit is causing the uncertainty for business, not the outcome of the vote itself. Business needs certainty to help it plan for the future, and when there is uncertainty, they tend to no longer invest in research and development to the same sort of levels as before but cut back instead. Businesses needs an idea of when to plan for our exit, it means they can put contingency plans in place to help secure supplies it will need during the transition period once we leave. Businesses need to know who we will leave and how future recruitment will need to be conducted if recruiting abroad

If they have no idea if we leave, when we leave, and what rules and agreements will be in place which will directly affect how they operate, how can they plan

All this fighting over trying to stop the process is damaging business, its impacting the economy and things like the scaremongering over the need for stockpiling because of this uncertainty is never going to be good for our economy or businesses based here.

Businesses have a history of being able to adapt, but the failures and sabotaging by politicians and alike are making it harder for them, they need a time scale to plan and work to and all of these delaying tactics and fighting against the votes outcome are doing is making it harder for them and making it more likely that the economy will be adversely effected than if we had announced several months ago that we leave with a no deal. Those fighting it, think they are making the situation better by preventing it, are in fact just making things worse (including causing more damage to the economy)

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Guy Fawkes said:

The question asked was remain or leave, not Leave but only if there is a deal first. A no deal is an outcome that exactly matches the votes result, to leave, and leaving with a deal in place (which the contents could never be predicted before the vote) exactly matches the referendum outcome too, to leave.

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GrizzlingGammon said:

And this is what I am saying. Leaving with a deal is leaving, leaving with no deal is leaving.

But now suddenly changing the vote to be leave with no deal and saying anything else goes against the referendum is a ludicrous statement. But here we are and that's what is being said.

I know for a fact that not everyone who voted leave voted for a no deal exit. It is like Theresa May saying that the referendum vote showed that people wanted immigration to be curbed. How can you deduce that from an in out vote on the EU membership. Mention of immigration has now gone quiet. Why? Because visa quotas will be Part of future trade agreements. Suddenly immigration was not an issue for leave voters, they knew all along that this would be the case. Now it's the vocal minority saying that no deal is what the vote was for.

The point that has been made over and over is that not all Brexiteers want the same kind of exit. Claiming that they all do is complete poppycock

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Guy Fawkes said:

The question asked was remain or leave, not Leave but only if there is a deal first. A no deal is an outcome that exactly matches the votes result, to leave, and leaving with a deal in place (which the contents could never be predicted before the vote) exactly matches the referendum outcome too, to leave. How we leave shouldn't matter, just the amount of notice given to those who will be affected by it matters, the sooner the way we leave is set in stone, the better for business (with a deal or with a no deal, it doesn't matter along as there is plenty of notice for them to plan and prepare)

This dragging of the process of leaving, the delays and the battles to try to stop a no deal Brexit is causing the uncertainty for business, not the outcome of the vote itself. Business needs certainty to help it plan for the future, and when there is uncertainty, they tend to no longer invest in research and development to the same sort of levels as before but cut back instead. Businesses needs an idea of when to plan for our exit, it means they can put contingency plans in place to help secure supplies it will need during the transition period once we leave. Businesses need to know who we will leave and how future recruitment will need to be conducted if recruiting abroad

If they have no idea if we leave, when we leave, and what rules and agreements will be in place which will directly affect how they operate, how can they plan

All this fighting over trying to stop the process is damaging business, its impacting the economy and things like the scaremongering over the need for stockpiling because of this uncertainty is never going to be good for our economy or businesses based here.

Businesses have a history of being able to adapt, but the failures and sabotaging by politicians and alike are making it harder for them, they need a time scale to plan and work to and all of these delaying tactics and fighting against the votes outcome are doing is making it harder for them and making it more likely that the economy will be adversely effected than if we had announced several months ago that we leave with a no deal. Those fighting it, think they are making the situation better by preventing it, are in fact just making things worse (including causing more damage to the economy)

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Mouldy Boots said:

Dead right.

I think your being polite and what you really want to say is 'leave means leave' and it's time you let it go and got on with your lifes you sad ba£tards.

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portslade seagull said:

Must admit I didn't vote for a no deal brexit. I believed it would be a mutual agreement but that was ruined by 620 MPs. Now it's a keystone cop situation. If a No Deal is the outcome parliament as a whole is to blame

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wellquickwoody said:

Sorry but that is utter crap. If people did not understand the consequences of their action that is their own fault for expressing an opinion on an issue whilst being ignorant of the facts. The only people to blame for Brexit of any kind are those who voted for it even, if like you, they actually didn’t understand it.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

If you are happy to leave without a deal then you are a total mug, thick as mince.
The front benchers under Johnson, who not long ago said no deal will be a catastrophe but are now saying it can be done because Johnson has told them to say it is the stuff of comedy legends, all like bloody sheep just to keep their job.
I mean Boris Johnson, come on man, get a grip of yourself, if you saw ITV news tonight reporting from businesses, and the so called chancellor, even someone of your type would know deep down we can't leave without a deal, and probably not at all
It's all just stubbornness and pure ignorance by you and your sort.
I can only think that you must sleep on straw.

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