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    Quote Originally Posted by bashlsdir View Post
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    It's amazing, you listen to Radio 4 and they speak to somebody from customs at Dover, who said they are prepared for No Deal, everything is calm.
    Itís the tunnel at Ashford thatís going to be the cluster****!

    You only have to look at the £30m investment in barriers (that frustratingly slows current traffic down) to visualise the plans for 30+ miles of queueing lorries.

    And you think itíll be like any other day? Bizarre.

    The far rightís operation brainwash has clearly had an effect.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guinness Boy View Post
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      You didn't ask for mine.

      I tend to believe Yellowhammer, not least because the government has tried to hide, obfuscate and spin it and yet it is based on known things, or facts as I like to call them, Following a no deal Brexit food prices will go up and there will be shortages. This will be because of delays in getting imports in to the country, changes in subsidies and tariffs and panicky idiots hording and panic buying. It will be worse in November precisely as per the BBC analysis I quoted -- because storage is geared up for Black Friday and Christmas.

      Medicines will also be harder to come by and there is a real risk that some life saving medicine will not be available. This is again due to importing it.

      Queues at the border will be a nightmare, unless the government takes the decision on this side of the border, to carry on as we have before. Even if they do we cannot legislate for what other EU states will do on their borders. This is the very opposite of taking back control. However, if we decide to operate a full border on this side we are screwed because I can promise you that the IT and systems changes needed to support this will not even have been tested by now.

      By far the worst border issue will be Northern Ireland. If we return to a hard border then we break the GFA and risk the devolved government, handing the advantage to fringe terror groups who are already ramping up in (London) Derry. We will also put the supply chains of hundreds of Northern Irish businesses at risk. But, again, I don't believe for a minute there any border posts or IT systems ready. This means we will still have a back door to the EU after "no deal", without a backstop.

      Then there's fuel. The fact the government redacted this part of yellowhammer is worrying to anyone with half a brain.

      Care to debunk the above with actual facts, without resorting to abuse?
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      Quote Originally Posted by nordicgod View Post
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      This really reminds me of something that happened 19 years ago and was called the millennium bug , loads and loads of doomsday stuff for oils happen on January 1st 2000, did it ? , did it feck? Same as this old shite. They have had over 3 years to sort this out and yet they still want to postpone it yet again and then it will postponed again after that till they get another referendum . The consensus wanted out so let’s get out . Deal or no deal
      your comparison would work better had "they" spent years preparing and investing in the necessary changes. by "they" i mean the leave leaders, who did sweet fa to prepare to leave.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guinness Boy View Post
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      You didn't ask for mine.

      I tend to believe Yellowhammer, not least because the government has tried to hide, obfuscate and spin it and yet it is based on known things, or facts as I like to call them, Following a no deal Brexit food prices will go up and there will be shortages. This will be because of delays in getting imports in to the country, changes in subsidies and tariffs and panicky idiots hording and panic buying. It will be worse in November precisely as per the BBC analysis I quoted -- because storage is geared up for Black Friday and Christmas.

      Medicines will also be harder to come by and there is a real risk that some life saving medicine will not be available. This is again due to importing it.

      Queues at the border will be a nightmare, unless the government takes the decision on this side of the border, to carry on as we have before. Even if they do we cannot legislate for what other EU states will do on their borders. This is the very opposite of taking back control. However, if we decide to operate a full border on this side we are screwed because I can promise you that the IT and systems changes needed to support this will not even have been tested by now.

      By far the worst border issue will be Northern Ireland. If we return to a hard border then we break the GFA and risk the devolved government, handing the advantage to fringe terror groups who are already ramping up in (London) Derry. We will also put the supply chains of hundreds of Northern Irish businesses at risk. But, again, I don't believe for a minute there any border posts or IT systems ready. This means we will still have a back door to the EU after "no deal", without a backstop.

      Then there's fuel. The fact the government redacted this part of yellowhammer is worrying to anyone with half a brain.

      Care to debunk the above with actual facts, without resorting to abuse?


      Try listening to the former Head of the Port of Dover, on the Ian Dale show on LBC, earlier this week.
      Its of interest to anyone who fears food/medicine shortages and delays in importing. He makes it clear that there is likely to be more of an issue in exporting but even those are being worked on. Over 150 ' pop up ' stations in the UK and Europe just been created to help drivers check paperwork before reaching ports ( and thats just to cover No Deal / WTO ),
      I am no expert on pharmaceuticals but I know a fair amount about food ( work in the industry ) and we are used to volatility in prices and product availability. Its regular. The general public don't notice it so much at supermarket level. Many shop on ' auto pilot ' not monitoring prices that closely. Immediately post June 2016, many imported European products went up 15-20% in price. Some of this was passed on, some absorbed by the industry. Compare the price of butter now to 3-4 years ago or bacon. People have happily paid the hefty price hike on canned drinks under the guise of a ' sugar tax ' ( Funny how the government left the more sensitive milk industry alone, when flavoured milks have the highest sugar content of any drink )
      Whatever happens and plenty of planning is in place, the food industry will absorb any short term increases, it always does. There will be few shortages and the general public will notice very little change.
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      Quote Originally Posted by beorhthelm View Post
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      your comparison would work better had "they" spent years preparing and investing in the necessary changes. by "they" i mean the leave leaders, who did sweet fa to prepare to leave.
      I think this country is better prepared than they make out, I really do.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guinness Boy View Post
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      He's hardly going to say "it's going to be a terrible shambles" is he?

      Did they speak to any Irish or French border officials? We can only control our own side. And did he say whther they were prepared because they were just going to carry on as normal or did he say they'd implement a whole new set of physical and information systems in a "big bang" go live on 1 November,
      to be fair the French have apparently done quite a lot in preparation, extending terminals, having special process in place for short term customs arrangements. the Irish have built a port and facilities in Dublin to enable more shipping direct. its hard to say in the mud slinging if we have done as much as needed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by nordicgod View Post
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      This really reminds me of something that happened 19 years ago and was called the millennium bug , loads and loads of doomsday stuff for oils happen on January 1st 2000, did it ? , did it feck? Same as this old shite. They have had over 3 years to sort this out and yet they still want to postpone it yet again and then it will postponed again after that till they get another referendum . The consensus wanted out so letís get out . Deal or no deal
      Millions of man hours of work in advance killed the millennium bug.

      Has there been millions of man hours of preparation for *no deal* Brexit ?

      Has the Government funded massive greenhouses and poly tunnels all over the country to grow enough produce ? Has a new fuel only import terminal been built ? Has a way been found of importing enough lifesaving but time decaying isotopes ? Have the new pharmaceutical factories been built ? Just for starters.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bashlsdir View Post
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      Moderate worst case scenario. So there we have it, worst case.

      It's amazing, you listen to Radio 4 and they speak to somebody from customs at Dover, who said they are prepared for No Deal, everything is calm.

      Brexit day will be like any other day.
      Yellowhammer is not worst case. Black Swan is. Let's have that released.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bashlsdir View Post
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      I think this country is better prepared than they make out, I really do.
      it wasnt about if we have prepared enough. the point is the leave leaders had no plan for leaving and then sat on their hands for a couple of years rather than getting on with implementing. left it to a reluctant PM to do something they didnt want to.
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      Now I know that all leavers aren't thick (I've been told enough times)

      But f*** me, @Sussex Nomad has bought the average down a few percentage points over the last two nights

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