beorhthelm
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[Politics] Brexit
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Rodders, you have just put over the best and most reasonable question on this thread to a leaver to date.
You appear to be a mirror image of myself, creative, entrepreneurial, prepared to get stuck in and get dirty and you live within your means and your probably younger!
To answer your question is IMO, you really need to believe in yourself, you will adapt if needed, we can never change all the outside influences and that is why no one can tell you what the promised land looks like as they don't know, think that the UK will be breaking new ground just like Christopher Columbus.
But remember we were here 40+ years ago it's become a stale marriage, they don't like us they just put up with us for our money.
All the best on your first newborn, you will fight like a warrior to protect and provide for them and your family, it's pure instinct and us humans thrive on it.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Detailed Briefs are always prepared for all Ministers. Whether they read them or not is their decision. It's common knowledge that Johnson was notorious for not reading them (as bad as Davis), but I'm guessing that since he's become PM, has has a lot more time and has changed this habit of a lifetime.
Incidentally, Raab always reads his, which makes the Dover thing really strange
schmunk
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I imagine BoJo is detailing his briefs at the looming spectre of having to u-turn on his 31 October promise...
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750 unicorns, one for each trade arrangement that we are giving up the day we leave ? That's about one every working day for the next 3 years. I assume that even though we haven't seen anything mentioned about it, we have recruited hundreds more trained and experienced trade negotiators over the last 3 years as part of our 'no deal' preparations. Maybe we headhunted them from the EU, as they have the largest pool of experienced trade negotiators of any trading bloc
Firstly you make the sweeping implication that all 750 'unicorns' are the same - they are not. The UK only has 40 FTAs via the EU - you know, the big ones like Canada. The rest are bi-lateral agreements - generally created for specific goods. For example that we'll accept lamb from New Zealand if they accept our pork. Bi-lateral agreements shouldn't take too long to roll over from what we already have. I'll accept FTAs might take some time - but not the ridiculous 300 years that has been thrown around by some remainers.
And of course you conveniently fail to mention the 38 rollover deals we've already got signed - two very significant ones - one with Norway ( worth £30bn ) and one with Switzerland ( worth £32bn ). Accounting for around 5% of UK trade. But of course this doesn't fit with your doomsday narrative.
Lincoln Imp
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This assumption that Brexiteers are the only true patriots is a recurring one, an important prop to the people who make it. Footy Genius had a crack at it the other day, going on about the 'true loyalties' of remainers. They remind me of a dear friend, a lady in her 70s who two or three weeks ago watched HMS Queen Elizabeth leave Portsmouth Harbour and then rushed round to our house to proclaim the joys of Brexit. Walking in front of Buckingham Palace has the same effect on her. We don't argue. Brexit, God, St George, Terry Wogan... unless you worship before them you're not really an Englishman at all.
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Not even 300 posts for me, but I could have said it in 1 post.
Have some standards and principles and take it on the chin when you lose.
It's a public disgrace that it has even got this far and the money that has been wasted by these people is unreal, shame on them.
This country will be a sad case the day we change laws to suit the minority to dictate to the majority of voters.
Oh, it has.
Not even 300 posts for me, but I could have said it in 1 post.
Have some standards and principles and take it on the chin when you lose.
It's a public disgrace that it has even got this far and the money that has been wasted by these people is unreal, shame on them.
This country will be a sad case the day we change laws to suit the minority to dictate to the majority of voters.
Oh, it has.
300+ posts of nothing but jingoistic rhetoric drivel.
Seriously, the ****ing STATE of this:
daveinplzen
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'Norway, and Switzerland are EEA members of the European Union anyway.Taking them out would reduce the total really signed as new agreements by £64 billion, leaving less than £30 billion of new deals signed up in replacement of £289 billion'
Lincoln Imp
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We've had recessions and downturns and calamities before but for me Brexit is not about economic harm. It goes so much deeper than that. It's about the sort of country we want to be, its values and priorities and its role in the world.
If it was just about prices and internal taxation and the rest most people would have shrugged their shoulders and moved on three years ago, just like they do when the party they don't like wins an election.
ManOfSussex
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I recall Professor Steven Woolcock of The LSE saying over 2 years ago: "At a political level there is still no recognition of the difficulties."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...o-harmful-trade-deals-cr7bqww8g?region=global
2 years later on or not, looking at the likes of Johnson and all the other clueless, arrogant idiots in cabinet now, I don't see this as a stretch at all.
Thunder Bolt
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As a veteran, I despair sometimes of the complete drivel I read from people of my generation, until I joined a group who call themselves Veterans for Europe, and realised I am not alone.
Yes, I've served and also worked for the Crown, but have been told I am unpatriotic.
I wasn't told that when I marched past the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday, but somehow that then makes me a traitor!
It is a cult, and people have been bewitched somehow.
Thunder Bolt
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When was the last time you spoke to one of 'them'? Maybe it is you they don't like?
Seriously, I've found people on the continent very sad at what is happening in Britain at the moment. You may think it is due to money, but it really isn't.
daveinplzen
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Quite often get the impression that the person calling me a traitor has done nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing for the country. Dosnt particularly worry me, more amuses if anything.
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When was the last time you spoke to one of 'them'? Maybe it is you they don't like?
Seriously, I've found people on the continent very sad at what is happening in Britain at the moment. You may think it is due to money, but it really isn't.
Absolutely this. I had a conversation with someone who lives in Italy a couple of weeks ago who said exactly that, particularly because of the RESPECT we have been held in for decades!
daveinplzen
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When was the last time you spoke to one of 'them'? Maybe it is you they don't like?
Seriously, I've found people on the continent very sad at what is happening in Britain at the moment. You may think it is due to money, but it really isn't.
When meeting new people here, one of the first things im asked is, what do I think of Brexit. Most Czechs ive spoken to are amazed at what we are doing to ourselves as a country, the only exception being my English (Brexiteer) boss's Czech wife.
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When was the last time you spoke to one of 'them'? Maybe it is you they don't like?
Seriously, I've found people on the continent very sad at what is happening in Britain at the moment. You may think it is due to money, but it really isn't.
Blimey, I have upset the whole of EU, I suppose it's possible but I doubt it!!
I am sure some are sad about us going, but they should have given May a better deal, but that's water under the bridge.
At the end of the day, we will still communicate with them we just don't want to jump on them in bed, they have rejected our advances far too often and ganged up upon us within their friend's circle.
It's just Au Revoir, so they need not be saddened.
Thunder Bolt
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Yes, one or two have been found out as Walts.
Thunder Bolt
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They should have given May a better deal? Oh boy. They gang up on us? Oh dear.
Who are you going to blame after Brexit?