[Politics] Brexit

GrizzlingGammon · Sep 5, 2019

pastafarian said:
I understood it perfectly thanks, by having remain on that ballot you split the leave vote v remain......lets no forget we have already decided NOT to remain, but if you insist on ignoring that aspect lets split the remain vote with those who are not massive fans of the EU but insist we should however stay in and reform it to suit what we like (quite a few on here) and those that think the EU is wonderful and we should fully embrace it.......lets have how should we remain as two options as well.
Alternatively lets just let parliament and the executive do what they are supposed to be doing and sort out delivering the decision to leave as they are supposed to do and trying to do, but having difficulty

If we were to have a second referendum all options need to be on the paper, and it would probably need to be a preference vote. If you remove remain you remove the option for people too young to vote in 2016 to have a full say on their future. That is not democratic. A democracy enables people to change their minds. Leavers could vote remain, remainers could vote leave.

I believe that the people should have the final say on any deal or no deal, with the option to say 'nah, I don't like either. Let's stay'

Lever · Sep 5, 2019

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Thunder Bolt · Sep 5, 2019

The Tories are getting fed up with Cummings, who isn't even a member of the Conservatives. Even the Daily Mail is against him.

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vegster · Sep 5, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
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Glad it's not just me that felt that Johnson giving a political speech in this way was wrong. The police may not be saints, as we recall from their performance during the miners strike and particularly at Orgreave, but I think even they are uncomfortable in being used this way.

Lever · Sep 5, 2019

vegster said:
Johnson speaking out as per, but doing so in front of a line of Police trainees..... anyone else feel this is a little threatening ?

Increasingly, the language and behaviour of BJ, JR-M and Leave extremists on this thread is nothing short of menacing.
They clearly think people will be cowed by their testosterone fuelled conduct; they are wrong!

Thunder Bolt · Sep 5, 2019

The doctor who wrote the Yellowhammer report is fighting back. The BMA have also made a statement backing him against the ridiculous accusation by Rees-Mogg.

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ManOfSussex · Sep 5, 2019

vegster said:
Glad it's not just me that felt that Johnson giving a political speech in this way was wrong. The police may not be saints, as we recall from their performance during the miners strike and particularly at Orgreave, but I think even they are uncomfortable in being used this way.

Apparently one of the police cadets fainted behind him and he carried on waffling?

Hampster Gull · Sep 5, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
Apparently one of the police cadets fainted behind him and he carried on waffling?

She certainly could no longer stand, not sure about fainting. He noticed her collapse then carried on. Treated her contemptuously. But hey, that’s Boris, the champion of the far right

Thunder Bolt · Sep 5, 2019

Lever said:
Increasingly, the language and behaviour of BJ, JR-M and Leave extremists on this thread is nothing short of menacing.
They clearly think people will be cowed by their testosterone fuelled conduct; they are wrong!

See my post about the Tory backbenchers wanting rid of Cummings, who isn't even a member. Rumour has it, he's been turning up at Westminster, drunk and intimidating females. It seems he was behind the special aid being escorted out of number 10 by armed police.

Lever · Sep 5, 2019

Hampster Gull said:
She certainly could no longer stand, not sure about fainting. He noticed her collapse then carried on. Treated her contemptuously. But hey, that’s Boris, the champion of the far right

That was a political own goal. How much credit might he have got had he 'rushed' to help her; but his true character keeps on 'shining through'.

birthofanorange · Sep 5, 2019

A part of me loves the way thing are currently panning-out (and I still believe that we will remain, much as that might be wishful thinking), but I really do feel for the younger generation among us, having to grow up with this awful shadow hanging over them. Whatever happens, they are the ones that will bear the brunt of the consequences of decisions made (or unmade) in the coming few months...possibly years? Who knows.
I feel so lucky to have grown up in the blindly optimistic and heady days of the 60's, where anything and everything seemed possible, and people seemed genuinely happy, in the main.
I would love more than anything for our current crop of children/young adults to have something resembling that, but I fear that it just cannot be that way anymore, and they will grow up feeling powerless and embittered, with a more bleak outlook on 'life' than most of us on here ever had.
It truly saddens me, but I still feel that an inclusive attitude will bring far more benefits to them, in the long term, than this sudden tendency to isolationism that this ill-thought out referendum has prompted.
I say all the above from a position of someone who has never had kids, for various reasons, but can appreciate how depressing all this must be for those old enough to understand what's going on, and what the future may hold.
No real reason for posting this, and no axe to grind - I just needed to say it.

vegster · Sep 5, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
See my post about the Tory backbenchers wanting rid of Cummings, who isn't even a member. Rumour has it, he's been turning up at Westminster, drunk and intimidating females. It seems he was behind the special aid being escorted out of number 10 by armed police.

Sounds like he has the right credentials to stand as a Tory MP then ?

BLOCK F · Sep 5, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
See my post about the Tory backbenchers wanting rid of Cummings, who isn't even a member. Rumour has it, he's been turning up at Westminster, drunk and intimidating females. It seems he was behind the special aid being escorted out of number 10 by armed police.

Dominic Cummings is an oaf of the highest order, whatever side of the political spectrum one is.

Hampster Gull · Sep 5, 2019

Lever said:
That was a political own goal. How much credit might he have got had he 'rushed' to help her; but his true character keeps on 'shining through'.

Completely. The vast majority of people would try to help her first. He was even winding up so could have called it a day and helped her, but instead said that’s was a good reason to stop and then carried on. Full on tosser. He’s the hard right Tories PM, not the countries

Driver8 · Sep 5, 2019

Tbh I’d rather Johnson was dead in a ditch too.

BLOCK F · Sep 5, 2019

vegster said:
Sounds like he has the right credentials to stand as a Tory MP then ?

A bit like Jared O'Mara really!

keaton · Sep 5, 2019

Driver8 said:
Tbh I’d rather Johnson was dead in a ditch too.

I hope it's one of the options on the poll card if we do have a general election. It could unite all of the major parties

pastafarian · Sep 5, 2019

GrizzlingGammon said:
If we were to have a second referendum all options need to be on the paper, and it would probably need to be a preference vote. If you remove remain you remove the option for people too young to vote in 2016 to have a full say on their future. That is not democratic. A democracy enables people to change their minds. Leavers could vote remain, remainers could vote leave.

I believe that the people should have the final say on any deal or no deal, with the option to say 'nah, I don't like either. Let's stay'

Don’t need another referendum just let parliament and the executive finish the job they are supposed to do from the decision given by the IN/OUT referendum. It is now in their court to sort out the details and carry out the instruction given.
Still getting mixed messages from some remainers, on the one hand referendums are dreadful, we shouldn’t have them at all and the people are too stupid to decide such important matters so let parliament make the important decisions, that’s what we elect them for…….on the other, lets take the decision out of parliaments hands and use the process again we hate and don’t want anymore of and we are perfectly capable of deciding even though we the public are too stupid.
And thats before you factor in everyone seems to have a different version of what referendum question would even be asked.

Lever · Sep 5, 2019

Driver8 said:
Tbh I’d rather Johnson was dead in a ditch too.

Metaphorically I think he will be if he is not the postman delivering Brexit on October 31st.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 5, 2019

Lord Patten confirming the Tories are now the English National party.

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