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[Politics] Brexit
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I'm going to lay off the positive manufacturing news for a few days now. Plenty more to come. You won't hear about these companies in the MSM.
- Jul 10, 2003
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If there's no deal the WTO insists on there being a border with customs on both sides to implement the WTO rules and default tariffs. It's nothing to do with the EU or Britain
Given the first point, I guessed it probably wasn't worth wasting my time reading any further.
Your desperation is becoming palpable. Don't forget, patience is a virtue
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,809
Keep posting them, i was being serious.
Given the incoming shitstorm, I think we would all be grateful for any good news at all.
Publius Ovidius
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Just seen this on twitter aimed at
Does anyone find this unacceptable?
In a No Deal your life will be worth very little to a lot of people. You should already be behind bars and you will wish you were by the end of it.
Tweet by someone Muralista - Dom Ramos FBPE to steve baker MP
Does anyone find this unacceptable?
In a No Deal your life will be worth very little to a lot of people. You should already be behind bars and you will wish you were by the end of it.
Tweet by someone Muralista - Dom Ramos FBPE to steve baker MP
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
It'd be better for you if the Withdrawal Agreement with the backstop The UK formulated passed in the commons - it's the Brexit you voted for.
It'd be better for you too if that happened before an unsustainable no deal situation occurred, because we might rush to agree a Norwegian arrangement with customs union very quickly afterwards, rather than pass the Withdrawal Agreement with UK formulated backstop, as well as heaping a lot of damage and ill feeling abroad on ourselves before we do.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
If there's no deal the WTO insists on there being a border with customs on both sides to implement the WTO rules and default tariffs. It's nothing to do with the EU or Britain
Given the first point, I guessed it probably wasn't worth wasting my time reading any further.
Your desperation is becoming palpable. Don't forget, patience is a virtue
WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
I know exactly what you mean. When people talk about The Titanic, you won't hear about the delicious Filet Mignon and French ice cream they had for dinner - it wasn't all bad. I hear the 1898 Moet & Chandon Champagne was an absolute gem of a vintage too. Moan, moan, moan, iceberg, iceberg, iceberg - it's all you get.
Baldseagull
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1. Yes, mad isn't it.
2. One is parts of as we see fit, the other is all of and legally binding.
3. Barnier is saying they will do as much as they can, but it isn't a full answer to the problem
4. No, we can't be sure we would not be stuck in permanently, unless you believe Mogg and Johnson when they insisted a technological solution exists, but I wouldn't, they are proven liars.
5. Temporary does not mean that a time limit can be put on it, it needs to be there until a permanent alternative is, like a jack holding your car up whilst the wheel is off, you have to have a wheel on before you take the jack away, you can't just take it away after an hour regardless.
6. Irelands Protocol only affected Ireland, it did not change anything for the other 27, if we change the withdrawal agreement it is a change between us and the 27.
7. "Alternative arrangements" is a bit vague.
8.
9. Only if the Northern Ireland Assembly objects.
10. Furious because the Parliament says it wants to leave, and this is what leaving looks like with Mays red lines, Parliament should not allow her to negotiate on these lines if they are just going to reject the obvious results.
11. That would be a removal of a red line, and would open other avenues of negotiation.
12. It is a suggestion of an alternative route that would negate the backstop, how is that stopping us leaving?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,809
WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136
Well you do have a point that we could choose to have no border controls, but as I'm sure you know, under preferred trader rules of WTO, that means we have open borders with the world.
Taking back control, eh?
Giving the world free access is an interesting starting point for trade negotiations.
(And if I'm still on this phone when Mrs Wz gets back from the loo, I am dead.......
Baldseagull
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Well, if you think ignoring referendum results is what would happen in the UK, we can stop this nonsense now can't we?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Well you do have a point that we could choose to have no border controls, but as I'm sure you know, under preferred trader rules of WTO, that means we have open borders with the world.
Taking back control, eh?
Giving the world free access is an interesting starting point for trade negotiations.
(And if I'm still on this phone when Mrs Wz gets back from the loo, I am dead.......
As you know I wasn't saying we would have no border controls just pointing out that your previous claim about the WTO was untrue.
Speaking of border controls I see HMG has announced Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Simplified declarations will be carried out away from the choke points registering arrival within 24 hours. Seems eminently sensible.
Baldseagull
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Why?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
So much for democracy! .....also very EU.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Your input on this is quite straightforward, you don’t have an axe to grind with Juncker and his conduct while Pres of Luxembourg.
I do, because he is an enabler of tax avoidance and more likely money laundering.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Freeport
There is no point in the knock-a-bout we know where we stand.
What I do is no business of yours and your supposition that I am somehow aware of criminality in my role is mind boggling........I don’t know where you get this stuff from?
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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You think banks in the EU are any different to the UK or US?
http://www.cadtm.org/Banks-are-responsible-for-the
Capitalists are not defined by nationality you complete cretin.......how much more austerity should the poor bear in this country and the EU because of bankers and their Tory chums.
Brexit means change, it can mean positive change, it’s ehy the banks support remain......like you, you dunce.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Calm down petal.
I don't do assumptions. I do years and years of working in the Technology sector and recognising personality traits. That's what I do.
And I certainly don't think socialist views are somehow incompatible with a certain type of occupation. I'm sure that a man as principled and passionate as yourself, regales everyone at your chosen workplace with your socialist views constantly
(I don't do pathetic insults either
Oh yes you do.
You assumed you knew what I did due to a post I made.......not true was it?
You also bought the cheap insults to, not me.
I know you are act first think later kind of guy........we all do.
The number of posts you edit after posting is incredible, evidently reactionary assumptions are made first, then the 2 or 3 working synapses gradually kick in and then you are back to do a quick edit to cover up your mistakes.
You leave a trail though.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Not according to the man who played a major role and won a Nobel Peace prize for helping to negotiate the GFA ...
Lord Trimble has announced he and fellow instrumental negotiators of the Good Friday Agreement will initiate judicial review proceedings aimed at removing the backstop from Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement.
The Prime Minister has said her focus is on coming up with an alternative arrangement to take to Brussels in an effort to get a deal without a backstop.
Lord Trimble, who served as First Minister of Northern Ireland from 1998-2002 while he was leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, won the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in negotiating the Good Friday Agreement.
His spokesman said the veteran pro-UK politcian "plans to initiate judicial review proceedings to ensure that the Protocol is removed from the Withdrawal Agreement".
... forgive me if I value his opinions on what is best for Northern Ireland and the GFA more than yours.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
You value his opinions simply because it suits your agenda. It's just more, rather desperate, straw clutching on your part as well as desperation on his. It's unedifying to watch you frankly now Footy Genius. At least 2 years ago on this thread you did occasionally give the impression that you might sometimes know what you were talking about. Look at you now. It's just pitiful.
Do what some of the others have done on this thread in regards to Northern Ireland and become a Brexit voting, lifelong advocate for a united Ireland after-timer. You'll save face and thank me one day for suggesting it.
You're saying things wouldn't change much without a referendum, but I think things have changed a lot over the last 40 years, due to being in the EU, without us having a referendum. We originally joined the common market without getting the chance to vote on it. We were later given the chance to leave, but the evidence is clear that big decisions get made without us getting a say.
How many of the countries that use the Euro let the people choose via a referendum? Countries like ours don't always consult us before making these decisions. I don't see how you can know that our situation wouldn't change.