- Jul 10, 2003
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There is no happy centre ground available between softest of soft Brexits (of which TM's is an example) or 'No deal'. That's the real issue for Leavers.
And this really is nothing to do with Remainers
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- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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There is no happy centre ground available between softest of soft Brexits (of which TM's is an example) or 'No deal'. That's the real issue for Leavers.
And this really is nothing to do with Remainers
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Agree with you on all of that.
Not me. Didn't like any of the names on my ballot, so I had to write another and cross the box I'd added.
Sadly, Emmanuel Macron of 'The Make Our Planet Great Again Party' counted as a spoilt vote
But what can you do, eh ?
True, although not sure about the last few words.
And that was the biggest mendacious piece of gas-lighting in this whole sorry saga.
A mantra repeated again and again and again, until this grand falsehood was glibly repeated and accepted as fact.
In reality, there is no deal bad enough to be worse than *no deal*. No deal capable of doing so much damage. A country killer. Treasonous in the harm it will inflict.
And here we are, just 14 days until the country collapses.
All we can do now is use them wisely.
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Think you've struck gold there, these are real reasons to elect representatives, the whole concept of leave/remain was so far down the scale that virtually no one even considered the choice until that c**t, Cameron, in an attempt to appease his/their detractors decided to open this particular Pandora's box, and just look at where it has lead to? We now have the most divided country since, well, ever ! and I do not think the lid will ever be possible to replace. What a total mess we have become.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
All these tweets are still on LeaveUK's twitter account. I think they had an effect on some people.
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Kalimantan Gull
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As a remainer, I wanted that. But they all ran away. Johnson didn't stand, Davis didn't stand, Mogg didn't stand, Farage resigned his parties leadership, Leadsom was the only one who stayed in the race and she conceded to May before there was even a vote of members. Then Johnson and Davis got important roles in the cabinet and then both resigned to the back benches when things got tough. Complete abdication of responsibility all round
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How does this add any value to the conversation here, apart from winding people up.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It was in answer to one post by beorhthelm.
Kalimantan Gull
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So where are we now? Last week Parliament voted down May's deal, voted down No Deal, voted down a second referendum and voted down trying to find an alternative deal. Which covers the entire spectrum of possibilities!
There's roughly four camps, remainer Tories who are voting to leave the EU with May's deal; the ERG / DUP who want No Deal, Labour who want to find an alternative deal and the SNP / libdems / TIG who want a second referendum.
If I had to put money on it I reckon the ERG / DUP will blink first and May's deal will go through. Second most likely, if ERG stay stubborn there will be a GE and then labour will agree staying in the common market, backed by a ratification referendum. But I can't believe the ERG will allow that to happen. No deal has vanished because of the votes of last week, which is a shame from the remainer point of view as that's shutting the door on moderate tories panicking and doing anything to avoid no deal.
There's roughly four camps, remainer Tories who are voting to leave the EU with May's deal; the ERG / DUP who want No Deal, Labour who want to find an alternative deal and the SNP / libdems / TIG who want a second referendum.
If I had to put money on it I reckon the ERG / DUP will blink first and May's deal will go through. Second most likely, if ERG stay stubborn there will be a GE and then labour will agree staying in the common market, backed by a ratification referendum. But I can't believe the ERG will allow that to happen. No deal has vanished because of the votes of last week, which is a shame from the remainer point of view as that's shutting the door on moderate tories panicking and doing anything to avoid no deal.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Wednesday's vote doesn't stop *no deal*.
It just says Parliament really, really, really doesn't want it.
We are 14 days from *no deal* catastrophe.
On Monday morning it will be 11 days away.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Parliament voted to extend article 50, EU will approve that. They'll keep on approving extensions until there is a deal. No Deal won't happen now, however much the looney right want it, and however much brexiteers deserve the pain that would come with it
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
We can hope.
But until that extension is formally asked for, and then signed off by the EU, we don't actually have it.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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There is no happy centre ground available between softest of soft Brexits (of which TM's is an example) or 'No deal'. That's the real issue for Leavers.
And this really is nothing to do with Remainers
Well that's not true, each new deal be it with Canada or Turkey or Japan or a myriad of other nations has differences with different priorities, different arrangemants, different levels of access to the single market. Sadly you have swallowed the Remain campaign narrative that we are a weak and insignificant country that the EU can dictate too. Unfortunately our (remain) negotating team appear to have the same mindset.
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
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That's yet again just a woeful, rather childish, simplistic, misrepresentation oft repeated by hardcore remainers/the Guardian set. The real reasons why Brexiteers didn't end up in the top job or resigned are far more nuanced and about political realities than ' they ran away' .... play ground stuff.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
You're slipping into unicorn mode there. We can only comment on what's happening, not what others wish to have happened, and our brexit team, which included Davis, Johnson and Raab for large parts, were unable to get anything different
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
That's yet again just a woeful, rather childish, simplistic, misrepresentation oft repeated by hardcore remainers/the Guardian set. The real reasons why Brexiteers didn't end up in the top job or resigned are far more nuanced and about political realities than ' they ran away' .... play ground stuff.
Johnson backed out. Twice. We all saw it happen. There's no point moaning about brexiteers not being in charge when they didn't even try to be in charge
Ps I read the telegraph.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
I’m fairly confident the EU will sign it off so they can give TM a fighting chance to get the deal through so they can get their grubby hands on the £39bn
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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They were never in charge of the negotiations, the PM and her faithful sidekick Olly Robbins were running the show... which is partly why some of them resigned.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Johnson didn't try to be in charge!.... Hilarious, that's been his main aim for the last few years. He was knifed by Gove we all saw it happen.
If you read the Telegraph you should be better informed.
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Ah, everyone is wrong except for you. I have to admit, we have got to this point sooner than even Meg expected
