[Politics] Brexit

Bold Seagull · Feb 6, 2019

Kinky Gerbils said:
Cameron is at fault for most of this.

But leave had no plan, and if they did it was unrealistic and they had no idea how to work it.

The government should have tabled a motion for a referendum (given they'd promised one), but only at such time as a Leave coalition of MPs had formed, had a chance to canvas opinion, and formed a policy document that in turn could have formed an accountable manifesto for an organised Leave campaign. These wouldn't have necessarily been promises, but they could have been accountable goals and aims and we could have held to account lies such as £350m to the NHS every week.

A1X · Feb 6, 2019

Publius Ovidius said:
HANG ON. You mean as I voted remain I get a hand job from nigella? Oh Christ , where do I go?

*Insert gag about restricting freedom of movement here*

Stat Brother · Feb 6, 2019

True dat blood.

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A1X · Feb 6, 2019

“I admire them, but I wouldn’t want to spend eternity with Brexiters” insists Satan

https://newsthump.com/2019/02/06/i-...-spend-eternity-with-brexiters-insists-satan/

Bold Seagull · Feb 6, 2019

Stat Brother said:
True dat blood.

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£350m per Week to the NHS.

“Thou shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor."

Baker lite · Feb 6, 2019

Looks like Tusk has pretty much given a nice boost to no deal, happy days.

On our way.

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beorhthelm · Feb 6, 2019

Kinky Gerbils said:
Not really worse than the insults thrown by Farage etc.

not a standard to be measured by.

Hampster Gull · Feb 6, 2019

Berty23 · Feb 6, 2019

Triggaaar said:
That's not politically impossible, the Labour party could have said it.

Nope. Championing immigration loses an election for anyone.

DavidinSouthampton · Feb 6, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
Pleasing to see the #teameu crew on here standing by their man defending him to the hilt as he makes unhelpful comments at this important stage of negotiations.

And no Brexiters have ever made unhelpful comments, of course.......

penny's harmonica · Feb 6, 2019

Well there goes any chance of a favourable second referendum.
Donald to the east of me Donald to the west here I am stuck in the middle of you

pastafarian · Feb 6, 2019

A1X said:
Such a referendum question wouldn't be permitted because "No Deal" is not something which could get through the electoral commission, .

I think we should just stick with your false interpretation. Loads of remoaners who wanted a second referendum with 3 options of deal/no deal/remain will just have to be disappointed that you have thrown their referendum in the bin because no deal as a question option is now impossible.
Happy days.

A1X said:
They didn't give the UK anything because the UK had power to impose it's own restrictions already to FOM, and indeed almost all other EU countries do. Why give someone something they already have?

We never had the power though whilst being in the EU to place restrictions on EU citizens and make them subject to the same controls of visas and quotas as non EU citizens.
Time limited 7 year restrictions that we didn’t use on the EU8 would have ended in 2011 anyway and are irrelevant to the still high numbers that exist today, the full 7 year restrictions on Bulgaria and Romania we did use hasn’t stopped the large numbers of them entering since restrictions ended.
And checking up on jobseekers months after they have already crossed the border and having to prove in each individual case that they are not actually looking for work and also have no possibility of ever being employed is not adequate border control, never has been and never will be. The numbers that it would be applicable to anyway amongst registered jobseekers are tiny compared to the tens of thousands that enter who are not long term jobseekers anyway.

Lincoln Imp · Feb 7, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
Pleasing to see the #teameu crew on here standing by their man defending him to the hilt as he makes unhelpful comments at this important stage of negotiations.

I'm struggling to recall you criticising Johnson when he compared the EU to the Third Reich, or Francois when he went off on a xenophobic rant because of the nationality of an Airbus executive.

ManOfSussex · Feb 7, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
I'm struggling to recall you criticising Johnson when he compared the EU to the Third Reich, or Francois when he went off on a xenophobic rant because of the nationality of an Airbus executive.

Or Jeremy Hunt as Foreign Secretary when he likened it to The Soviet Union. (That didn't go down too well in the Baltic states as I recall.)

Blue Valkyrie · Feb 7, 2019

I agree with Tusk.

When the *no deal* storm hits, when millions are out work, when savings and pensions are devalued, when there is food shortages, when the army is on the streets, when we are under Civil Contingencies Act misery etc. ....

...then there is a small group of lying enablers that sold this snake oil who deserve this contempt.

Kinky Gerbil · Feb 7, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
I'm struggling to recall you criticising Johnson when he compared the EU to the Third Reich, or Francois when he went off on a xenophobic rant because of the nationality of an Airbus executive.

Offended by everything and ashamed by nothing.

Kinky Gerbil · Feb 7, 2019

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....tics/no-deal-brexit-mobile-phone-13964895.amp

A return to roaming charges for phones.

Baldseagull · Feb 7, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
I agree with Tusk.

When the *no deal* storm hits, when millions are out work, when savings and pensions are devalued, when there is food shortages, when the army is on the streets, when we are under Civil Contingencies Act misery etc. ....

...then there is a small group of lying enablers who sold this snake oil who deserve this contempt.

They will say it was just a negotiating tactic, it was never meant to actually happen, which I believe is true and is their rationale, no one is actually wanting to have a head on collision when they play chicken, everyone that ends up in one really believed the other side would swerve.

ManOfSussex · Feb 7, 2019

Baldseagull said:
They will say it was just a negotiating tactic, it was never meant to actually happen, which I believe is true and is their rationale, no one is actually wanting to have a head on collision when they play chicken, everyone that ends up in one really believed the other side would swerve.

Never mind the economic fallout for both sides in a no deal, the problem would be the political, social, reputational and diplomatic bad blood and damage we're going to cause for ourselves. It'll take more than a generation to repair it because we'll be held in complete and utter contempt.

WATFORD zero · Feb 7, 2019

Baldseagull said:
They will say it was just a negotiating tactic, it was never meant to actually happen, which I believe is true and is their rationale, no one is actually wanting to have a head on collision when they play chicken, everyone that ends up in one really believed the other side would swerve.

The trouble is they've been saying it so long, that the more gullible have been taken in completely by it.

My advice to anyone who wants to play chicken is make sure you're sat in the articulated lorry and not the car before you decide you want to play :shrug:

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