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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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clapham_gull

clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,328
pastafarian said:
You were doing quite well then went into a waffle about nasty socialist collectives and unionised miners revealing your chip on the shoulder biased stance
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Silly boy.

My "beef" with Rees Mogg has little to do with the EU and his beliefs have little to do with it either. He is an extremist.

He hates any form of regulation and believes it is up to consumer to decide whether they consume chlorine or hormones. It we were out of the EU and the Government had similar regulations he would be campaigning against them too.

There is a fascinating recent interview with him where he argues we should be eating hormone treated beef and the Government/EU are just meddling in stopping us to do so.

He is ultra free market neo liberal and doesn't have a care in the world if industries in this country go out of business at the expense of cheap and unregulated goods from abroad. I'm sorry but that's his religion.

Completely the opposite from Trump in that respect and I find it particularly odd when he pretends to stand up for "Britain".

He is a complete oddity, completely detached from others such as Gove, Hunt ( a convert ) and Johnson.
 
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Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
Billy the Fish said:
What's everyone's problem with chlorine washed chicken?

Many of the salad bags in the supermarket are chlorine washed but I don't see anybody complaining about them :shrug:
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I read a piece the other day claiming that it encourages some of the bacteria it is supposed to kill, to form into a cyst which is harder to eradicate and is thought to be responsible for the five times higher rates of Salmonella infection in the US compared to the EU. For the UK, if we started experiencing US rates of infection, it would cost the NHS and hit national productivity. Cheap Chicken could be expensive.
 


pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
clapham_gull said:
Silly boy.

My "beef" with Rees Mogg has little to do with the EU and his beliefs have little to do with it either. He is an extremist.

He hates any form of regulation and believes it is up to consumer to decide whether they consume chlorine or hormones. It we were out of the EU and the Government had similar regulations he would be campaigning against them too.

There is a fascinating recent interview with him where he argues we should be eating hormone treated beef and the Government/EU are just meddling in stopping us to do so.

He is ultra free market neo liberal and doesn't have a care in the world if industries in this country go out of business at the expense of cheap and unregulated goods from abroad. I'm sorry but that's his religion.

Completely the opposite from Trump in that respect and I find it particularly odd when he pretends to stand up for "Britain".

He is a complete oddity, completely detached from others such as Gove, Hunt ( a convert ) and Johnson.
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:rotlf:

get a grip of yourself man.
 












Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,513
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Green Cross Code Man said:
I sincerely hope that they are also publicising the huge number of mistruths told by the remain campaign as well. I thought both campaigns were rife with exaggeration, didn't you?
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No. But I'm happy for you to prove me wrong. Let's see all the examples of lies and false promises from the Remain camp.
 








Green Cross Code Man

Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
19,721
Eastbourne
Thunder Bolt said:
No. But I'm happy for you to prove me wrong. Let's see all the examples of lies and false promises from the Remain camp.
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Are you serious? Months of announcements about what would happen immediately with the British economy i.e. meltdown, huge increase in unemployment etc. All pretty much untrue and contested at the time.
 




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Green Cross Code Man said:
Are you serious? Months of announcements about what would happen immediately with the British economy i.e. meltdown, huge increase in unemployment etc. All pretty much untrue and contested at the time.
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It's certainly not what they predicted, trouble is Brexit will be blamed for absolutely everything for many years to come, people will never hear the end of it.
 


Bold Seagull

Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,799
Hove
bashlsdir said:
It's certainly not what they predicted, trouble is Brexit will be blamed for absolutely everything for many years to come, people will never hear the end of it.
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Just like the EU has been blamed for all sorts of things for 40 odd years.
 


Peter Ward

Peter Ward

Well-known member
Dec 5, 2014
473
out back
Saw this comment yesterday and thought I'd share it.

All of this has historical reasons. The UK was not occupied in WW2. It considers itself as the winner of WW2. It does not realise that there is no such thing as a winner in a war. Meanwhile I grew up in family with a nan who told me about being bombed out of her home by allied forces, her parents getting trapped in their cellar for days. About marching for food and milk to feed her small children; she had to witness German soldiers drink the milk she had marched 40 miles for. And about the 14-year old German soldiers she found in her garden crying for their mothers. As for my grandad: he fought at the Grebbeberg, ended up in a German factory, and suffered nightmares for his entire life.

The continental European stories about WW2 are rather different to the British ones In the continental stories, there are no winners. Only misery, at both ends. That's why most of us realise we in Europe need to closely cooperate, why we need to unify, no matter how forced, flawed, or complicated that union is, it's always better than no union whatsoever. It's also why many of us on the continent feel betrayed by Brexit. My grandad used to organise victory parades, hosting the veteran Scots Guards who liberated our city. I discussed with them at length about how far we've come, in a united Europe. I'm pretty sure these veterans too would be disgusted about Brexit. It is perhaps fortunate that only a few of them live today to bear witness of this mess.

Peace and prosperity are too valuable to put at risk for the sake of dogma.
 
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WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,864
pastafarian said:
The simple solution would be to only allow imports of high quality grain fed beef, such as currently enters the EU and here from Australia, USA and South America, considering the production of this sort of beef has increased and the EU have instigated negotiations to increase the quota of this sort of beef entering I cant see the problem with us following suit when entering trade talks after we have left.

The chlorinated chicken issue could be treated the same, initially the EU were only going to ban chlorinated chicken and allow US chicken that use other processes but the ban has effectively been a blanket one. Production processes have moved away from chlorinating chicken and only 25% of US processing plants now use it. A few years back the EU were going to lift the ban on chlorinated chicken (after EU scientists said it was safe for human consumption) by having extra labelling requirements placed on it to allow it in, but the big poultry producers of Holland and Germany lobbied very well and the commission proposal was dropped. You have to ask how terrible is chlorinated chicken if the commission were considering lifting the ban?
Seems to me there is compromise available.
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So our opening gambit in our free trade negotiations with the USA is telling them we will only allow them to export high quality grain fed beef and non-chlorinated chicken to us. You do realise that compromises that may be available to the largest trading bloc in the world may not be available to Britain ?

I can see this going well :facepalm:
 


Peter Ward

Peter Ward

Well-known member
Dec 5, 2014
473
out back
Green Cross Code Man said:
Are you serious? Months of announcements about what would happen immediately with the British economy i.e. meltdown, huge increase in unemployment etc. All pretty much untrue and contested at the time.
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Please give examples to show how you came to this conclusion.

Why are people so ignorant? Brexit hasn't started yet. The meltdown will happen when Brexit kicks in silly.
 


nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,608
Gods country fortnightly
clapham_gull said:
Silly boy.

My "beef" with Rees Mogg has little to do with the EU and his beliefs have little to do with it either. He is an extremist.

He hates any form of regulation and believes it is up to consumer to decide whether they consume chlorine or hormones. It we were out of the EU and the Government had similar regulations he would be campaigning against them too.

There is a fascinating recent interview with him where he argues we should be eating hormone treated beef and the Government/EU are just meddling in stopping us to do so.

He is ultra free market neo liberal and doesn't have a care in the world if industries in this country go out of business at the expense of cheap and unregulated goods from abroad. I'm sorry but that's his religion.

Completely the opposite from Trump in that respect and I find it particularly odd when he pretends to stand up for "Britain".

He is a complete oddity, completely detached from others such as Gove, Hunt ( a convert ) and Johnson.
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Good post. He has a crazed set of conflicting values, a disaster capitalist with a smattering religious fundamentalism throw in
 


Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,025
The arse end of Hangleton
Thunder Bolt said:
What is it that we cannot veto? Please explain how the new working time directive will differ from the previous one in 2004? Instead of whining about constant parroting, why not offer something to contribute to the thread that we can actually discuss.
Is it a good thing or bad thing?
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We couldn't veto either of the directives I mentioned. They were passed on majority voting.

The Work-Life Balance Directive allows for more flexible working for parents and carers.

The Transparent and Predictable Working Conditions Directive is more complex but at a high level it gives new employees more rights.

IMHO both are good directives but that wasn't the point I was making as well you know.
 




Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,025
The arse end of Hangleton
WATFORD zero said:
And to [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] - Do you still believe that we should go 'no deal' over TMs deal in 23 days time knowing what you now know ?
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As the current choices stand - May's awful deal vs no deal, yes, I believe we should go for no deal ..... still. Now if we can get a better deal ( and yes that's like having unicorns being riden by fairies and guided by elves at the bottom of your garden ! ) then I may be tempted to change my mind.
 


Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Green Cross Code Man said:
Are you serious? Months of announcements about what would happen immediately with the British economy i.e. meltdown, huge increase in unemployment etc. All pretty much untrue and contested at the time.
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If we leave with *no deal* you'll only have to wait for 3 more weeks to see the collapse of the country start.

If we leave with May's deal then we go into a holding pattern while the next stage plays out.
 


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