[Politics] Brexit

Giraffe · Jun 8, 2018

astralavi said:
Other then free movement laws, what laws brought in by the EU would you want changed?

Generally I don't like the fact the EU can overrule British law and British judgements.

But if you want some specifics, off the top of my head:

Free movement of labour law
The right to be forgotten rule
Child benefit for migrant workers
Working time directive
Fisheries policy
VAT on energy bills law
Climate change directive
Diabetic motorists directive

Pretty pink fairy · Jun 8, 2018

NO DEAL LOOMING, # taking back control
regards
DR

Giraffe · Jun 8, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
Which we could do within The EEA as neither Iceland, Norway or Liechtenstein are within the European Customs Union.

But I am pretty sure their ability to do that is restricted by the deals they have with the EU in some way.

ManOfSussex · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
But I am pretty sure their ability to do that is restricted by the deals they have with the EU in some way.

They are rule takers across many areas bound by their participation in the single market and other bodies, yes. Never mind Northern Ireland, the fact is 2.1 million lorries pass through just The Port of Dover every year. We're not leaving the continent of Europe and coming out of every European body, including just the European Customs Union, is going to cause the need for infrastructure for which there is no time, money, space or technology available to implement. Although closer aligned than some want, even Switzerland and Norway outside the customs union have checks and delays on their borders.

Notters · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
No thanks. That isn't what I or most of the other leavers voted for. I want us to be free to set our own trade deals with other countries without any restrictions.

a) Prove it
b) It doesn't need to be most of them does it? It just needs to be the 2% that makes a majority along with the remainers.

However, all you're doing is again pointing out the major flaw of the referendum - it wasn't detailed enough.

A1X · Jun 8, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Out of interest, how do you know this ? As a leaver I wouldn't have voted to be in the EEA.

Well for a start you have 48.1% of people who don't want to leave in the first place. Staying in the Single Market has been a key priority for voters in every poll since the referendum about priorities, including over "lowering immigration" and generally EEA comes out as the most popular choice for "what sort of Leave do you want" in all opinion polling.

A1X · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
No thanks. That isn't what I or most of the other leavers voted for. I want us to be free to set our own trade deals with other countries without any restrictions.

Out of interest, which trade deals aren't you happy with at the moment and what specifically about them would you want to change?

Thunder Bolt · Jun 8, 2018

Pretty pink fairy said:
still hiding under the Duvet ??
regards
DR

Nope, too busy rejoicing in the Daily Mail switching over to the right side. You've only got the Sun & the Express on your side now.

Have a nice day x

Giraffe · Jun 8, 2018

A1X said:
Out of interest, which trade deals aren't you happy with at the moment and what specifically about them would you want to change?

I suggest you read this. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/no-deal-with-the-eu-sounds-like-a-good-deal-to-me/

Thunder Bolt · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
No thanks. That isn't what I or most of the other leavers voted for. I want us to be free to set our own trade deals with other countries without any restrictions.

Which countries do you think will trade with us without any restrictions?

Japan - want to trade with us, in return for dropping visa requirements.
USA - have already slapped a 25% surcharge on steel.

The WTO rules on international trade, so we still have to abide by their rules.

Stato · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
Generally I don't like the fact the EU can overrule British law and British judgements.

But if you want some specifics, off the top of my head:

Free movement of labour law
The right to be forgotten rule
Child benefit for migrant workers
Working time directive
Fisheries policy
VAT on energy bills law
Climate change directive
Diabetic motorists directive

Off the top of your head, or cut and pasted from a Metro article?

https://metro.co.uk/2017/03/29/10-eu-laws-that-could-get-scrapped-after-brexit-6541477/

Pavilionaire · Jun 8, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Like them or not, if Gove and Johnson had been in charge then we'd have had more bullish and less lillylivered approach to the process of leaving.

How ironic, for both Gove and Johnson stood for leader after Cameron resigned, but both voluntarily left the race.

It disgusts me that Johnson stood down in that contest, only to be savaging May now. She should call him out because at least she had the guts to take the job on two years ago, and it is a tribute to her tenacity that she herself hasn't jacked it in already.

Giraffe · Jun 8, 2018

Stato said:
Off the top of your head, or cut and pasted from a Metro article?

https://metro.co.uk/2017/03/29/10-eu-laws-that-could-get-scrapped-after-brexit-6541477/

Yep that's the fella. I ignored a couple that don't bother me, including bananas.

Giraffe · Jun 8, 2018

Pavilionaire said:
How ironic, for both Gove and Johnson stood for leader after Cameron resigned, but both voluntarily left the race.

It disgusts me that Johnson stood down in that contest, only to be savaging May now. She should call him out because at least she had the guts to take the job on two years ago, and it is a tribute to her tenacity that she herself hasn't jacked it in already.

Johnson pulled out because Gove took his supporters to May. It was Gove that was gutless not Johnson. Johnson pulled out because he couldn't possibly win without Gove's support.

A1X · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
I suggest you read this. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/no-deal-with-the-eu-sounds-like-a-good-deal-to-me/

This article displays such a misunderstanding of the WTO that I struggled to take it seriously as anything other than a piece of conceptual art.

Stato · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
Yep that's the fella. I ignored a couple that don't bother me, including bananas.

Given that the project involves making the whole of the nation materially worse off for the foreseable future, risks peace in Northern Ireland and could end the Union, I was expecting a more chunky list of concerns.

Pavilionaire · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
Johnson pulled out because Gove took his supporters to May. It was Gove that was gutless not Johnson. Johnson pulled out because he couldn't possibly win without Gove's support.

Well then more fool him, because if Boris had been any sort of statesman he may have been able to convince his party that in order to deliver Brexit the government had to be led by a Brexiteer. Indeed, it was Cameron's reason for resigning in the first place.

The Tories were deluding themselves when they appointed Remainer May to lead Brexit and she compounded that folly by appointing Remainer Hammond as Chancellor.

Boris may eventually get his wish to be leader of the Tories, but they are now a moribund party who have alienated younger voters and run public services into the ground. Umunna would trounce Boris in a General Election.

Ernest · Jun 8, 2018

Anyone resigned today

astralavi · Jun 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
Generally I don't like the fact the EU can overrule British law and British judgements.

But if you want some specifics, off the top of my head:

Free movement of labour law
The right to be forgotten rule
Child benefit for migrant workers
Working time directive
Fisheries policy
VAT on energy bills law
Climate change directive
Diabetic motorists directive

What is wrong with the right to be forgotten rule and do you think the UK would change it anyway?

nicko31 · Jun 8, 2018

Barnier....

"NI backstop arrangement can not be extended to the rest of the UK"

That puts the cats amongst the pigeons!!!

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