Why

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

Can somebody please explain why we do not leave the smallest quickest player in the centre circle. This would mean the opponents leaving 2 men back to mark him and if the ball was hoofed out to between those players and the keeper it would give us a valuable outlet to relieve pressure. without the ball being pumped back into our box.

SIMMO SAYS · Aug 26, 2016

BensGrandad said:
Can somebody please explain why we do not leave the smallest quickest player in the centre circle. This would mean the opponents leaving 2 men back to mark him and if the ball was hoofed out to between those players and the keeper it would give us a valuable outlet to relieve pressure. without the ball being pumped back into our box.

Albion my Albion · Aug 26, 2016

Skill

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

Sorry I should have made it more simple just for you.to understand through your Guinness

pishhead · Aug 26, 2016

What we actually do is have our quicker players at the apex of the 18 yard box. This has proved to be a good source of quick counter attacks for us and even a few goals.

SIMMO SAYS · Aug 26, 2016

BensGrandad said:
Sorry I should have made it more simple just for you.

Who

Bob! · Aug 26, 2016

BensGrandad said:
Can somebody please explain why we do not leave the smallest quickest player in the centre circle. This would mean the opponents leaving 2 men back to mark him and if the ball was hoofed out to between those players and the keeper it would give us a valuable outlet to relieve pressure. without the ball being pumped back into our box.

When we are defending a corner I presume you mean?

I'd like us to do this too, but I guess CH sees an extra defender as better to stop the opponents scoring, and AK on the edge of the box as the best way for us to attack from defensive corners.

severnside gull · Aug 26, 2016

I'm not sure any of your suppositions/propositions actually hold up to scrutiny without a second, bigger player's presence to physically hold the ball up/deal with strong physical challenges/win the ball in the air. Hoof ball by its nature is imprecise and rarely includes putting the ball into open productive space. As a result you realistically need two up front with the most common formula being a big 'un and a nippy little 'un in tandem. The formula we played all last season and will probably favour again if we acquire the "number 10" Hughton is after.

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 26, 2016

BensGrandad said:
Can somebody please explain why we do not leave the smallest quickest player in the centre circle. This would mean the opponents leaving 2 men back to mark him and if the ball was hoofed out to between those players and the keeper it would give us a valuable outlet to relieve pressure. without the ball being pumped back into our box.

regards
DR

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

severnside gull said:
I'm not sure any of your suppositions/propositions actually hold up to scrutiny without a second, bigger player's presence to physically hold the ball up/deal with strong physical challenges/win the ball in the air. Hoof ball by its nature is imprecise and rarely includes putting the ball into open productive space. As a result you realistically need two up front with the most common formula being a big 'un and a nippy little 'un in tandem. The formula we played all last season and will probably favour again if we acquire the "number 10" Hughton is after.

Not really my idea is that neither March nor Knockhaert will win the ball in the air in the area so 1 should be left in what was traditionally the old inside right position in the centre circle. If the ball was then cleared towards the opponents left back position just outside of the penalty box either would possibly beat a defender to the ball and even if they didnt and he got there first they would stop him hitting the ball back into our box, which invariably happens at the moment.

Stat Brother · Aug 26, 2016

Bob! said:
When we are defending a corner I presume you mean?

I'd like us to do this too, but I guess CH sees an extra defender as better to stop the opponents scoring, and AK on the edge of the box as the best way for us to attack from defensive corners.

Anyone would think last season we didn't score any goals following this pattern:-

Corner
Ball cleared to edge of our box (I can think of one when that clearance was by a 'big'un')
Collected by Knockaert or other quick lad
Taken to the edge of their box.
Passed through to big'un.
Goal.
Salute.

Pretty much in grained in this squads DNA.

If only we had someone who knew what he was doing, at the helm.

Coldeanseagull · Aug 26, 2016

I'd prefer there to be two players left up whilst defending corners. Makes the centre halves think about not going up for a set piece

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

Stat Brother said:
Anyone would think last season we didn't score any goals following this pattern:-

Corner
Ball cleared to edge of our box (I can think of one when that clearance was by a 'big'un')
Collected by Knockaert or other quick lad
Taken to the edge of their box.
Passed through to big'un.
Goal.
Salute.

Pretty much in grained in this squads DNA.

If only we had someone who knew what he was doing, at the helm.

It happened on an odd occasion but more often than not the ball was pumped back into our box and by a player being 10- 15 yds nearer the opponents half it would mean them keeping 2 or even 3 players back to deal with it.

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

Coldeanseagull said:
I'd prefer there to be two players left up whilst defending corners. Makes the centre halves think about not going up for a set piece

The CB would probably still go up to add height but they would then leave at least 3 or possibly 4 back to deal with it. It would also make the box less congested and allow the keeper more room to move.

Shy Talk · Aug 26, 2016

Peter Ward would always stand on the centre spot when we had a corner. When the ball was cleared he would ALWAYS score a goal at the other end. I don't know why we don't do this now. Barbera out!

BensGrandad · Aug 26, 2016

I am sure knockhaert would get a few from such a move. Another move I always acvocated when I was a manager was that if the corner was on their right side the right back came up to the edge ov the box and the left back stayed back similarly from the left. The logic behind this is that when defending a CB usually tries to head the ball to a safe area and the easiest safest area is the touch line out side of the box where it came from and the way he is facing.

studio150 · Aug 26, 2016

No dont just leave the smallest quickest player upfield, lets leave the front four on the half way line, then by BGs logic the opposition will need to leave 5 defenders to mark them.

That way with 1 taking the corner, there are only 4 attackers in the box to be marked by 6 defenders, so man mark and each post marked.

Shy Talk · Aug 26, 2016

Shy Talk said:
Peter Ward would always stand on the centre spot when we had a corner. When the ball was cleared he would ALWAYS score a goal at the other end. I don't know why we don't do this now. Barbera out!

I meant, when the opposition had a corner. (It wouldn't make sense otherwise, would it? I don't think he ever scored an own goal, let alone lots of them)

Triggaaar · Aug 26, 2016

studio150 said:
No dont just leave the smallest quickest player upfield, lets leave the front four on the half way line, then by BGs logic the opposition will need to leave 5 defenders to mark them.

That way with 1 taking the corner, there are only 4 attackers in the box to be marked by 6 defenders, so man mark and each post marked.

So we should have 8 on the half way line, they need 9 to defend, plus their keeper, means 1 taking the corner, and no one attacking.

I'm emailing Chris now!

Cowfold Seagull · Aug 26, 2016

severnside gull said:
I'm not sure any of your suppositions/propositions actually hold up to scrutiny without a second, bigger player's presence to physically hold the ball up/deal with strong physical challenges/win the ball in the air. Hoof ball by its nature is imprecise and rarely includes putting the ball into open productive space. As a result you realistically need two up front with the most common formula being a big 'un and a nippy little 'un in tandem. The formula we played all last season and will probably favour again if we acquire the "number 10" Hughton is after.

Well, if we do strike lucky and sign the number 10 that Chris Hughton seems hell bent on, then I think that it'll be Tomer Hemed who will be spending plenty of bench time.

Murray was signed to play as often as possible, so long term loss of form, or injury aside, I expect to see him starting games.

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