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Any VW owners out there notice a shocking fall in service standards lately?

I have been using the same VW garage for 15 years. Bought 3 cars off them. They have always been decent (servicing), finger on pulse, courtesy car, do what they say they will, when they will.

It has been geting worse since the fuel consumption fiddle fiasco, however. I made an appointment on Tuesday to bring the car in at 8 to get the air con fixed. They told me it would be ready at 4. I phoned at 2, and was told they had just started the job (eh?). They would call back in 30 minutes. They called back an hour and a half later to tell me the 'good news'. The courtesy health check had found no serious issues with brakes and tyres etc.

Er, what about the air con. 'Let me check' . . . there followed a long load of waffle followed by 'let me check if we have all the parts' . . . .'no we need to order one part'. . . . . 'Let me see, it should be ready . . . next Thursday' . . . .'Courtesy car? Let me check' . . . .'No sorry it is being used by another customer' . . . .'Why did we ask you to bring in the car at eight and not start the job till two, or ask if you would need a courtesy car? Let me check' . . . .'I'm sorry I am not sure, it may be because we have no idea what we are doing' (actually I made the last bit up - but he didn't know).

At that point I asked to speak to a senior manager. It took 5 minutes before I was able to get through to him. He said he would look into it and call back . . . . . Ten minutes later, I lost the plot, and felt it appropriate to explain why I thought they were a useless bunch of uninformed clowns, left hands and right hands both disconnected from one another and the central nervous system. This seemed to jolt a loose bit of brain-bone back in the right part of his mind tank. 'We will work on it tonight and tomorrow morning and it should be ready by noon', he ejaculated (correct use of word, check out an old Billy Bunter book).

So they have miraculously rustled up the part, and have brought somone in to finish the job tomorrow, even though the service department doesn't even open on a Saturday. . . . . . . And if I were a timid old biddy, who needed her car in order to collect regular vital medical supplies and had take all the original bullshit, rather than a stroppy gobshite who flies off the handle at the slightest provocation, I'd be spending the next several days in a blue funk. This can't be right, can it?

I'll be looking forward to explaining to them why I won't be buying my new car (due in a year, as a reward for not losing my licence by the time the first 3 of my 9 points come off) - from them, in due course. Trouble is, they seem to be so institutionally ****ed at the moment, I doubt anyone who works there will actually care.

The cheeky bugger I spoke to the other day actually told me (someone who has put several tens of thousands of quid through their tills over the years), that I would be liable to a hundered quid charge, that would later come off my bill, in case I decided after the diagnosis to take the car elsewhere. A bit like the Albion asking me, an ST holder for donkey's years, to pay a deposit for my next season ticket in case I change my mind in late August and opt for a Palace one instead. The cheeky little feck.

I am interested in other folks' experience, but must admit I mostly felt like having a massive rant about this. Earlier, Mrs Tackle feigned 'a bad connection' 5 minutes into my phone rant :lolol:

At least I didn't lose it with VW so badly that I felt the need to remind them who it was who won the war . . . . .
 




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Any VW owners out there notice a shocking fall in service standards lately?

I have been using the same VW garage for 15 years. Bought 3 cars off them. They have always been decent (servicing), finger on pulse, courtesy car, do what they say they will, when they will.

It has been geting worse since the fuel consumption fiddle fiasco, however. I made an appointment on Tuesday to bring the car in at 8 to get the air con fixed. They told me it would be ready at 4. I phoned at 2, and was told they had just started the job (eh?). They would call back in 30 minutes. They called back an hour and a half later to tell me the 'good news'. The courtesy health check had found no serious issues with brakes and tyres etc.

Er, what about the air con. 'Let me check' . . . there followed a long load of waffle followed by 'let me check if we have all the parts' . . . .'no we need to order one part'. . . . . 'Let me see, it should be ready . . . next Thursday' . . . .'Courtesy car? Let me check' . . . .'No sorry it is being used by another customer' . . . .'Why did we ask you to bring in the car at eight and not start the job till two, or ask if you would need a courtesy car? Let me check' . . . .'I'm sorry I am not sure, it may be because we have no idea what we are doing' (actually I made the last bit up - but he didn't know).

At that point I asked to speak to a senior manager. It took 5 minutes before I was able to get through to him. He said he would look into it and call back . . . . . Ten minutes later, I lost the plot, and felt it appropriate to explain why I thought they were a useless bunch of uninformed clowns, left hands and right hands both disconnected from one another and the central nervous system. This seemed to jolt a loose bit of brain-bone back in the right part of his mind tank. 'We will work on it tonight and tomorrow morning and it should be ready by noon', he ejaculated (correct use of word, check out an old Billy Bunter book).

So they have miraculously rustled up the part, and have brought somone in to finish the job tomorrow, even though the service department doesn't even open on a Saturday. . . . . . . And if I were a timid old biddy, who needed her car in order to collect regular vital medical supplies and had take all the original bullshit, rather than a stroppy gobshite who flies off the handle at the slightest provocation, I'd be spending the next several days in a blue funk. This can't be right, can it?

I'll be looking forward to explaining to them why I won't be buying my new car (due in a year, as a reward for not losing my licence by the time the first 3 of my 9 points come off) - from them, in due course. Trouble is, they seem to be so institutionally ****ed at the moment, I doubt anyone who works there will actually care.

The cheeky bugger I spoke to the other day actually told me (someone who has put several tens of thousands of quid through their tills over the years), that I would be liable to a hundered quid charge, that would later come off my bill, in case I decided after the diagnosis to take the car elsewhere. A bit like the Albion asking me, an ST holder for donkey's years, to pay a deposit for my next season ticket in case I change my mind in late August and opt for a Palace one instead. The cheeky little feck.

I am interested in other folks' experience, but must admit I mostly felt like having a massive rant about this. Earlier, Mrs Tackle feigned 'a bad connection' 5 minutes into my phone rant :lolol:

At least I didn't lose it with VW so badly that I felt the need to remind them who it was who won the war . . . . .

So your local dealership are having a bad day?

What's any of that got to do with Volkswagen??
 










Steve in Japan

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Our Fiesta has been back 6 times in the last 2 weeks to the local Ford dealership to get the reversing sensors fixed. And they still don't work.

I am seriously losing enthusiasm to take it back a 7th time.

Maybe its all dealerships at the moment. The heat perhaps.
 


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hans kraay fan club

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Did you read your own links?

They show how an existing garage / company are invited to pay for the privilege of becoming an official VW dealership.

If the dealership is sh1t VW ought to drop them, but seriously, the company that you ought to be dissatisfied with over the events of today, isn't the car maker. :shrug:
 




bhanutz

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Aug 23, 2005
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Did you read your own links?

They show how an existing garage / company are invited to pay for the privilege of becoming an official VW dealership.

If the dealership is sh1t VW ought to drop them, but seriously, the company that you ought to be dissatisfied with over the events of today, isn't the car maker. :shrug:

Bet you've got loads of mates!
 


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Did you read your own links?

They show how an existing garage / company are invited to pay for the privilege of becoming an official VW dealership.

If the dealership is sh1t VW ought to drop them, but seriously, the company that you ought to be dissatisfied with over the events of today, isn't the car maker. :shrug:

Let's imagine your quibble is genuine, and its not just the product of itchy pants and a feeling of lassitude, I'm not bothered if my VW dealer is owned and run by Germans with a PhDs in turbo design, and all related to the original Herr Volkswagen (and, yes, I know it means people's car, and isn't someone's ACTUAL name). It is where you go in the UK to buy genuine kit and service that are sanctioned by the Germans themselves, or whatever Panamanian holding company they use to launder their cash. The VW imprimatur is all over everything my dealer does. If I had taken my car to Sid Snot's knock down car repairs (which is where my sodding insurer sent the car last time I drove up someone's arse) then I would have taken it (relatively . . . . and breathe out) in my stride, and blamed it on my being a tight-fisted cheapskate. But . . . . anyway, thank's for your thoughtful contribution. :wave:
 


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Bet you've got loads of mates!

Thanks, plenty.

Not sure what's got under your skin here, tbh? I wasn't having a go at the OPs rant. It sounds like an annoying experience. Just pointing out that the target of his angst was misplaced. Not an enormous big deal frankly.

Enjoy your weekend.
 






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Let's imagine your quibble is genuine, and its not just the product of itchy pants and a feeling of lassitude, I'm not bothered if my VW dealer is owned and run by Germans with a PhDs in turbo design, and all related to the original Herr Volkswagen (and, yes, I know it means people's car, and isn't someone's ACTUAL name). It is where you go in the UK to buy genuine kit and service that are sanctioned by the Germans themselves, or whatever Panamanian holding company they use to launder their cash. The VW imprimatur is all over everything my dealer does. If I had taken my car to Sid Snot's knock down car repairs (which is where my sodding insurer sent the car last time I drove up someone's arse) then I would have taken it (relatively . . . . and breathe out) in my stride, and blamed it on my being a tight-fisted cheapskate. But . . . . anyway, thank's for your thoughtful contribution. :wave:

Fair enough. I've also driven VWs (company cars) for the last 15 - 20 years. We used a main dealer who were shit for a while.

We didn't stop buying or driving VWs - we just moved our servicing to another dealer.
 


drew

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They are an authorised repairer/dealer for VW but are still an independent company. Your real beef is with the standard of service on this occasion by the dealership and not the manufacturer. However, is this just one instance where before you have had excellent service or is it a one of many. If the latter then you are probably best taking your business elsewhere. If it is one instance then it could be just a simple case of someone ****ing up on the day and the idiot on the phone trying to talk their way out of it, not successfully. Seems that the manager has done his best to resolve the problem as best they can.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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Our Fiesta has been back 6 times in the last 2 weeks to the local Ford dealership to get the reversing sensors fixed. And they still don't work.

I am seriously losing enthusiasm to take it back a 7th time.

Maybe its all dealerships at the moment. The heat perhaps.

My sympathies. I have stories to tell about Ford *dealerships* (which according to some may have nothing whatsoever to do with yer actual Ford, the car maker). Suffice to say I switch to WV 15 years ago because I had come to the end of my rope with Ford, and found the VW approach (at the time) to be open and refereshing. Maybe the market is squeezed now. But VW *dealerships* have clearly (well, clear to me, I can only speak for *myself*) introduced a new culture. Ar my local. they have TWO women on the front desk to do triage. They have lots of new whey faced kids managing the service bookings. They are extremely slow on the 'system', taking ages to look stuff up. They do everything by the book of bullshit, reciting mantra more at home across the showroom in the sales department. They have glazed eyes. They are probably on minimum wage. All the previous staff have gone. They were fewer but they knew their onions. This lot wouldn't know an onion from a Chinese love ball, even if inserted with the assistance of VW *official* lube.

Cheers! And don't ever buy a Ford again, is my advice. Their *totally unrelated* dealerships are a snakepit of vipers interested only in flogging stuff (they are all on commission).
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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Fair enough. I've also driven VWs (company cars) for the last 15 - 20 years. We used a main dealer who were shit for a while.

We didn't stop buying or driving VWs - we just moved our servicing to another dealer.

OK - that was a fun exchange. Apologies, its been a shit day :cheers:
 


Steve in Japan

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My sympathies. I have stories to tell about Ford *dealerships* (which according to some may have nothing whatsoever to do with yer actual Ford, the car maker). Suffice to say I switch to WV 15 years ago because I had come to the end of my rope with Ford, and found the VW approach (at the time) to be open and refereshing. Maybe the market is squeezed now. But VW *dealerships* have clearly (well, clear to me, I can only speak for *myself*) introduced a new culture. Ar my local. they have TWO women on the front desk to do triage. They have lots of new whey faced kids managing the service bookings. They are extremely slow on the 'system', taking ages to look stuff up. They do everything by the book of bullshit, reciting mantra more at home across the showroom in the sales department. They have glazed eyes. They are probably on minimum wage. All the previous staff have gone. They were fewer but they knew their onions. This lot wouldn't know an onion from a Chinese love ball, even if inserted with the assistance of VW *official* lube.

Cheers! And don't ever buy a Ford again, is my advice. Their *totally unrelated* dealerships are a snakepit of vipers interested only in flogging stuff (they are all on commission).

Thanks for that. My wife likes the car but when it's time to change I will be looking elsewhere. Perhaps a small car which come with a fully functioning parking assist package. Or one that comes with a man with semaphore flags who can shout "back a bit love...you've got loads of room".
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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They are an authorised repairer/dealer for VW but are still an independent company. Your real beef is with the standard of service on this occasion by the dealership and not the manufacturer. However, is this just one instance where before you have had excellent service or is it a one of many. If the latter then you are probably best taking your business elsewhere. If it is one instance then it could be just a simple case of someone ****ing up on the day and the idiot on the phone trying to talk their way out of it, not successfully. Seems that the manager has done his best to resolve the problem as best they can.

yes, yes, as I have explained . . . yes, my issue is with the dealership, which I called 'Volkswagen'. I obviously wasn't singling out the manufacturer purposefully. I will remember to add 'dealership' next time. I presume the same also applies to Watford FC, which are part of a franchise, and should probably be referred to as Watford FC Franchise, so that people don't mistakenly think that the team are under the direct control of the lord Mayor of Watford. :wink:

Given that I can be a complete hoity toity ponce on here some times, I guess its fair I get a shoeing from the Pedant Police when the opportunity arises. :lolol: My first 'Madness IPA' of the evening is slowing draining the bile of outrage from my varicosed venous system, anyway. Cheers.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Thanks for that. My wife likes the car but when it's time to change I will be looking elsewhere. Perhaps a small car which come with a fully functioning parking assist package. Or one that comes with a man with semaphore flags who can shout "back a bit love...you've got loads of room".

Yes! I am really looking forward to buing my next car. The VW is great (GTi) but it is not cheap to insure. And mine is 1 2005 model, so even the sat nav was a novelty when I bought it. These clever new cars not only do your parking and shopping for you (and allegedly some of the far eastern makes will even accomodare a BJ), the enhanced safety bonus means that insurance and tax shrivel to next to nothing, so I'm told. In fact (I am going all Jeremy Clarke now), some new cars are so advanced that the government give you money, rather than tax you. Someone just mentioned Toyota. If they still do the celica . . . they used to be smashing (1980s). I've done all the research in the past, and that research convinced me (at the time) to get a . . . .Fiesta . . . frankly I'd have been happier with a Reader's Wives . . . :lolol: Cheers.
 




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