Turkey no longer the fun holiday destination it used to be.

Not nick rhodes · Jul 17, 2016

Like many NSC folks, going to Turkey was always a guaranteed way of having a fairly cheap holiday with lovely weather and sandy beaches, decent food etc.

Following the recent attempted coup this looks increasingly likely to change. Whether it was a genuine attempt at a coup by the largely secular army or even orchestratrated by the Turkish president himself to allow a crackdown, either way the results will be country changing.

The president is an Islamist who will use this as an excuse to sack all of the secular judges and replace them with more hard-line Islamist judges, ditto for the army where he will get rid of the many secular generals and so it goes on.

In the next fee years, turkey will end up much more hard-line and closer to Iran in its laws and freedoms than a European country. It wouldn't now be allowed in the Eu but it also means unless you are insane, it is also now crossed off the list of countries to holiday in, which for me is a real shame.

goldstone · Jul 17, 2016

Guy on the radio yeaterday said Erdovan (or whatever his name is) will use this an excuse to grab even more power for himself and will become a new Saddam Hussein. Scary.

Cowfold Seagull · Jul 17, 2016

Not nick rhodes said:
Like many NSC folks, going to Turkey was always a guaranteed way of having a fairly cheap holiday with lovely weather and sandy beaches, decent food etc.

Following the recent attempted coup this looks increasingly likely to change. Whether it was a genuine attempt at a coup by the largely secular army or even orchestratrated by the Turkish president himself to allow a crackdown, either way the results will be country changing.

The president is an Islamist who will use this as an excuse to sack all of the secular judges and replace them with more hard-line Islamist judges, ditto for the army where he will get rid of the many secular generals and so it goes on.

In the next fee years, turkey will end up much more hard-line and closer to Iran in its laws and freedoms than a European country. It wouldn't now be allowed in the Eu but it also means unless you are insane, it is also now crossed off the list of countries to holiday in, which for me is a real shame.

As far as your final paragraph is concerned, it's far too early to assume that will be the case. Let's all wait and see how things pan out once things have calmed down a bit. The next few months could be telling.

pasty · Jul 17, 2016

Must admit, Mrs P and I have holidayed in Turkey quite a few times in recent years but made a conscious decision not to this year.

Hillian1 · Jul 17, 2016

goldstone said:
Guy on the radio yeaterday said Erdovan (or whatever his name is) will use this an excuse to grab even more power for himself and will become a new Saddam Hussein. Scary.

It would not surprise me to learn that he masterminded the whole thing himself for just that reason.

Blue Valkyrie · Jul 17, 2016

Not nick rhodes said:
Like many NSC folks, going to Turkey was always a guaranteed way of having a fairly cheap holiday with lovely weather and sandy beaches, decent food etc.

Following the recent attempted coup this looks increasingly likely to change. Whether it was a genuine attempt at a coup by the largely secular army or even orchestratrated by the Turkish president himself to allow a crackdown, either way the results will be country changing.

The president is an Islamist who will use this as an excuse to sack all of the secular judges and replace them with more hard-line Islamist judges, ditto for the army where he will get rid of the many secular generals and so it goes on.

In the next fee years, turkey will end up much more hard-line and closer to Iran in its laws and freedoms than a European country. It wouldn't now be allowed in the Eu but it also means unless you are insane, it is also now crossed off the list of countries to holiday in, which for me is a real shame.

Nevermind, I hear the union of the snake is on the rise.

Raleigh Chopper · Jul 17, 2016

My brother is going there in 2 weeks with his family not sure what his thoughts are.
The Greek Islands are generally better anyway.
I suppose that if any probs crop up instead of coming home you could use your flight jump on a ferry to Samos for example and get a room for a week or 2.

Superseagull · Jul 17, 2016

goldstone said:
Guy on the radio yeaterday said Erdovan (or whatever his name is) will use this an excuse to grab even more power for himself and will become a new Saddam Hussein. Scary.

No need to worry. We will send Boris out there to sort them out and get us a 1st class trade deal. Think he already has pretty good relations with the Turkish president?

Taybha · Jul 17, 2016

Love the place but it can get pretty messy

spongy · Jul 17, 2016

Taybha said:
Love the place but it can get pretty messy

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Sultanaye mud baths?

Triggaaar · Jul 17, 2016

I've never been. I've always heard nice things about holidays there, but their lack of human rights has put me off going.

The Kid Frankie · Jul 17, 2016

Midnight Express done it for me.

Great film though.

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT · Jul 17, 2016

TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS LIVING THERE NOW....

If you are coming for a holiday you have absolutely nothing to worry about... unless perhaps if you go to certain parts of Istanbul. There is no chance at all of Turkey becoming fundamentalist... no way it'll become another Iran. If it starts going that way I'll be the first to leave and I'll let you all know. Now going for a Bomonti (the best Turkish beer) on my beach.

p.s. Those interested in conspiracy theory.... most of us think they knew about the takeover last week but decided to let it go ahead, prepared to smash it at the earliest opportunity, were able to make a few people not go ahead with the conspiracy at the last minute ensure its failure, and are now reaping the political profits of being seen as the conquering heroes for democracy. it was certainly the most incompetent military takeover in Turkish history

The Clamp · Jul 17, 2016

Turkey is and always will be a shithole.

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT · Jul 17, 2016

Shithole like this you mean? (view from the balcony of my holiday house)

The Clamp · Jul 17, 2016

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT said:
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Shithole like this you mean? (view from the balcony of my holiday house)

You can get nice views anywhere. Like places that don't treat women like shit. Sorry, I'm glad you like it but it has a terrible reputation that didn't disappoint when I went there. Awful place.

The Andy Naylor Fan Club · Jul 17, 2016

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT said:
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Shithole like this you mean? (view from the balcony of my holiday house)

Are they still building your holiday home? Looks as though the steel reinforcement bars are in place and awaiting the concrete pour!

Hillian1 · Jul 17, 2016

Taybha said:
Love the place but it can get pretty messy

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Y,N

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT · Jul 17, 2016

Ok... you are right in that there are a lot of things that could be better but that's true of many countries. The last 72 hours have been very frightening believe me and we are now considering the possibility of leaving which we wouldn't have done before....but now it's a case of wait and see... for me shithole is too much though... then England is shithole, France is a shithole, US a shithole because I've seen bad places there and bad behaviour too.... politically though things have been pretty awful last three days and who knows what will happen. Still, that's for us who live here or for those who don't just come for a holiday.... in the holiday resorts you'll hardly even notice it.

SULLY COULDNT SHOOT · Jul 17, 2016

Nope that the tops of the shades after they've taken the coverings off.... good one though

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