Two police officers shot dead in USA

clippedgull · Jul 11, 2016

BBC

A gunman has killed two police officers and wounded another outside a courthouse in the US state of Michigan.

Berrien County Sheriff Paul Bailey confirmed to reporters at a news conference that two sheriff's deputies were killed along with the gunman.

The courthouse in the resort town of St Joseph - about 100 miles (160km) east of Chicago - was put under lockdown and an employee tweeted about the shooting.

Michigan Governor Rick Snyder confirmed the shooting on his Twitter account.

A deputy sheriff was shot and has been taken to a hospital.

Beach Hut · Jul 12, 2016

This will never go away now in the USA. There is factual evidence that some USA white policemen consider it acceptable to gun down innocent black people in their country,

The black community have decided enough is enough and to a certain extent I understand their stance given recent actions however the inherent issue is the freedom to bear arms.

Unless the USA resolve this the current spiral of shooting will never end.

Triggaaar · Jul 12, 2016

Beach Hut said:
There is factual evidence that some USA white policemen consider it acceptable to gun down innocent black people in their country

Out of interest, what evidence are you siting?

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 12, 2016

Beach Hut said:
This will never go away now in the USA. There is factual evidence that some USA white policemen consider it acceptable to gun down innocent black people in their country,

The black community have decided enough is enough and to a certain extent I understand their stance given recent actions however the inherent issue is the freedom to bear arms.

Unless the USA resolve this the current spiral of shooting will never end.

There's factual evidence they prefer shooting down white people more than black people at a rate of 2:1

The problem isn't actually black v white. The problem is they hire a lot of ex-military into Police forces and those people are the shoot first ask questions later types.

It's the hiring process which is broken.

DavePage · Jul 12, 2016

there will be a lot of twitchy trigger fingers coming up, human nature now to see a treat even where there isn’t one

Mental Lental · Jul 12, 2016

DavePage said:
there will be a lot of twitchy trigger fingers coming up, human nature now to see a treat even where there isn’t one

DavePage · Jul 12, 2016

Mental Lental said:

Can’t be arsed to change it, did like peanut tweets tho, I have to confess….not the same over here

Gabbafella · Jul 12, 2016

Not sure how skewed the facts and figures are in this, but all I managed to take from it is that American police are a bunch of trigger happy, a-holes.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-by-police-yes-but-no/?client=ms-android-lge#

jakarta · Jul 12, 2016

Tyrone Biggums said:
There's factual evidence they prefer shooting down white people more than black people at a rate of 2:1

The problem isn't actually black v white. The problem is they hire a lot of ex-military into Police forces and those people are the shoot first ask questions later types.

It's the hiring process which is broken.

I have carried out work for three 'Southern County' Police Forces in various Shooting Ranges over the past fifteen years and as a consequence have got to know quite a lot of the Force Armourers etc.

They have all told me that while the Police prefer the Armourers (who have to maintain and look after the weapons) and Range Instructors (who have to teach their pupils to shoot straight) to be ex-Army, they are not at all keen on ex-squaddies wanting to join TFU's or other Armed Roles.

This is because their previous training will have been to fire their weapons as a matter of course whereas UK Police devote a huge amount of time to avoiding the firing of their weapons. As a consequence you are better starting off with someone who has no experience of shooing and teaching them the Police way.

GT49er · Jul 12, 2016

DavePage said:
there will be a lot of twitchy trigger fingers coming up, human nature now to see a treat even where there isn’t one

Yeh, I suppose the chance to shoot someone and get away with it could be seen as a treat by some people!

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 12, 2016

jakarta said:
I have carried out work for three 'Southern County' Police Forces in various Shooting Ranges over the past fifteen years and as a consequence have got to know quite a lot of the Force Armourers etc.

They have all told me that while the Police prefer the Armourers (who have to maintain and look after the weapons) and Range Instructors (who have to teach their pupils to shoot straight) to be ex-Army, they are not at all keen on ex-squaddies wanting to join TFU's or other Armed Roles.

This is because their previous training will have been to fire their weapons as a matter of course whereas UK Police devote a huge amount of time to avoiding the firing of their weapons. As a consequence you are better starting off with someone who has no experience of shooing and teaching them the Police way.

Makes sense.

When you hear a stat like 22 ex-US military take their own lives every day you have to wonder what mental state the ones they hire as Police are in.

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 12, 2016

Gabbafella said:
Not sure how skewed the facts and figures are in this, but all I managed to take from it is that American police are a bunch of trigger happy, a-holes.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-by-police-yes-but-no/?client=ms-android-lge#

There's over 3/4 of a million US Police officers. The statistics show the overwhelming majority aren't trigger happy a-holes.

Bold Seagull · Jul 12, 2016

Tyrone Biggums said:
There's over 3/4 of a million US Police officers. The statistics show the overwhelming majority aren't trigger happy a-holes.

1146 people shot and killed by police in the US in 2015. It is an overwhelming statistic.

To put that in some form of context, in Afghanistan and Iraq British forces lost 632 personnel across 10 years - in war zones.

symyjym · Jul 12, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
1146 people shot and killed by police in the US in 2015. It is an overwhelming statistic.

To put that in some form of context, in Afghanistan and Iraq British forces lost 632 personnel across 10 years - in war zones.

So is the 100 plus police shot dead each year.

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 12, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
1146 people shot and killed by police in the US in 2015. It is an overwhelming statistic.

Less than 1% of anything doesn't ever equate to "overwhelming".

It's a tiny, tiny minority.

Bold Seagull · Jul 12, 2016

symyjym said:
So is the 100 plus police shot dead each year.

Yes exactly, not to mention the large number of people or police shot that will have survived.

Everyone with a gun, even simple situations have a life threatening edge to them.

Bold Seagull · Jul 12, 2016

Tyrone Biggums said:
Less than 1% of anything doesn't ever equate to "overwhelming".

It's a tiny, tiny minority.

We're leaving the EU on 2%!

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 12, 2016

People killed by Cops makes up 0.000377358490566% of the US population.

Cops who killed people made up 0.16% of the total US Police force.

KingstonSeagull · Jul 12, 2016

Beach Hut said:
This will never go away now in the USA. There is factual evidence that some USA white policemen consider it acceptable to gun down innocent black people in their country,

The black community have decided enough is enough and to a certain extent I understand their stance given recent actions however the inherent issue is the freedom to bear arms.

Unless the USA resolve this the current spiral of shooting will never end.

Bit of a generalisation without any evidence to support it....

Bold Seagull · Jul 12, 2016

Tyrone Biggums said:
People killed by Cops makes up 0.000377358490566% of the US population.

Cops who killed people made up 0.16% of the total US Police force.

10.6 gun related deaths per 100,000 people per annum. Astonishing figures. Obviously an acceptable consequence of gun ownership for you, 100+ police killed, 1000+ people killed by police, 30,000 killed by firearms - all per annum is easily washed away by percentages of population because guns make you safer.

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