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Chilcot report
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Teflon Tony or Face the Music Tony?
symyjym
Banned
The intro
The UK chose to go to Iraq before peaceful options for disarmament were exhausted.
Invading Iraq at that time was not the last resort.
The judgments about the severity of the WMD threat was presented with a certainty that was not justified.
Despite explicit warnings the consequences of the invasion were underestimated and the planning and preparation for Iraq post Saddam were wholly inadequate.
The government failed to achieve its stated objectives.
Blair discussed regime change with Bush.
The UK chose to go to Iraq before peaceful options for disarmament were exhausted.
Invading Iraq at that time was not the last resort.
The judgments about the severity of the WMD threat was presented with a certainty that was not justified.
Despite explicit warnings the consequences of the invasion were underestimated and the planning and preparation for Iraq post Saddam were wholly inadequate.
The government failed to achieve its stated objectives.
Blair discussed regime change with Bush.
daveinprague
New member
Basically, be a bit more careful when sending young men and women to war to fight, and die.
symyjym
Banned
He was warned that military action would increase the threat of terrorism to the UK.
symyjym
Banned
Even if the invasion of Iraq was justified we had already committed all our resources to Afghanistan. Just from that position no one with an average IQ would have got involved on two fronts.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
cf: David Cameron: 70,000 'moderate' fighters in Syria.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
This really isn't any different to what many people thought at the time. Vindication for those that stood against the government on this one. Charles Kennedy, ridiculed at the time as too liberal/soft now vindicated for his stand against going to war, as is Jeremy Corbyn.
symyjym
Banned
At every possible opportunity.
He's a nob as well. Originally he wanted to bomb Assad, but in the end all he could do was endorse the so called moderate rebel fighters who were being supplied with western weapons via Saudi and Turkey. He was very happy to see British Muslims go to Syria to fight Assad, but unfortunately they were joining ISIS.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
To be fair, it's not just politicians who make massive decisions based on misinformation without a clue what to do afterwards, eh?.
symyjym
Banned
Yep, Hans Blix, Robin Cook, Dr David Kelly, Clare Short, they all said exactly the same.
Hotchilidog
Well-known member
- Jan 24, 2009
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Blair lied, deliberately mislead parliament and has left Iraq in a bloody violent mess and provided the fertile ground for ISIS/Daesh or what ever you want to call them to thrive to wreak mayhem in the aftermath. All this after a decade of sanctions also caused deaths and misery in Iraq. A country that has never attacked us, or posed a threat to us, destroyed to appease the vanity of two men.
He has to answer for this in a court of law.
I really thought Chilcot would be a whitewash, looks like he went to Farrow and Ball for the paint instead.
He has to answer for this in a court of law.
I really thought Chilcot would be a whitewash, looks like he went to Farrow and Ball for the paint instead.
symyjym
Banned
Legal action is possible.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
To suggest Blair was responsible for this deception strikes me as believing our PM has authoritarian powers I just cannot believe actually exist. I find it a huge leap to suggest that in the corridors of power, the intelligence community, military, civil service etc. that Blair's lone presentation of this led an ignorant parliament to the decision to go to war.
This went far deeper than Tony Blair, or even George Bush. Blaming those two is a convenient veil of where power actually resides, something that is perhaps too frightening to contemplate.
Tony Towner's Fridge
Well-known member
Quote from Tony Smarm
'I will take full responsibility for any mistakes without exception or excuse. I will at the same time say why, nonetheless, I believe that it was better to remove Saddam Hussein and why I do not believe this is the cause of the terrorism we see today whether in the Middle East or elsewhere in the world.'
The man is an idiot. Virtually all our current evils associated with IS and the like are down to his actions and the last sentence is totally wrong.
So we now have a report that shows that a Labour government can't be relied on to keep peace.
We also know from successive Labour governments that they can't be relied on to keep the economy under control.
We also know from successive Labour governments that they can't be relied on to keep the NHS and Social Benefits system under control.
What can they keep under control?
Never ever should we elect that lot again........a message that seems to be finally sinking in to the electorate..
TNBA
TTF
'I will take full responsibility for any mistakes without exception or excuse. I will at the same time say why, nonetheless, I believe that it was better to remove Saddam Hussein and why I do not believe this is the cause of the terrorism we see today whether in the Middle East or elsewhere in the world.'
The man is an idiot. Virtually all our current evils associated with IS and the like are down to his actions and the last sentence is totally wrong.
So we now have a report that shows that a Labour government can't be relied on to keep peace.
We also know from successive Labour governments that they can't be relied on to keep the economy under control.
We also know from successive Labour governments that they can't be relied on to keep the NHS and Social Benefits system under control.
What can they keep under control?
Never ever should we elect that lot again........a message that seems to be finally sinking in to the electorate..
TNBA
TTF
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
I remember Blair telling Iain Duncan Smith, who was leader of the opposition at the time, that "We" definitely have proof that Saddam has WMD.
I, like many other others, assumed that the PM shared his proof with the leader of the Opp. This never happened. IDS just took Blair's word for it and backed him.
To this day I don't know why something so important was not shared. If it was true what was there to worry about?