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ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
6,180
Just far enough away from LDC
No Blairite member of Labour will be acceptable as leader, Corbyn will stand down when the right candidate is there who can take the party forward with a mandate to be an effective opposition and then an effective government.

Benn, Umuna, Reeves, Kendall and all the other New Labour MP's must accept that party is finished and need to move on and either support the mandate the membership gives them or leave the party.

I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Burnham tried again, a lot more acceptable to the general public after the Hillsborough inquest.

Burnham will go for mayor of Manchester. He will unlikely stand a third time. Yvette cooper performed well in the referendum I thought and isn't it time the labour party had a female leader?
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
55,575
Back in Sussex
The likes of you, Corbyn, Skinner will just carry on ****ing this country in the fantasy belief of a socialist utopia and end of capitalism. You don't care that the reality of this stance will lead to more and more right wing governments, as long as you can hold your entrenched beliefs.

The rest of us who believe in moderate social responsibility and left of centre politics NEED a Labour Party that can BEAT the Tories, not just sit in opposition sneering at them. This kind of position took us through 18years of Tory rule through the '80s and unrepairable damage, and the likes of Corbyn ideology will do the same again.

Post EU UK will be shaped by the right. If we want it to be shaped by the LEFT, the Labour Party has to elect a leader that can not only unite the Labour vote, but can bring other parties with them, coalition if needed to shape the future, not just wave their papers on opposition benches.

Very much so. And I'd go a bit further too.

I thought it was interesting to hear Boris Johnson roundly boo-ed by those waiting for him to leave his house this morning. There will be a considerable number of those moderately right of centre who will be appalled at what Johnson represents, whether he goes on to lead the Conservative Party or not. A strong Labour leader should be able to appeal and communicate to these people. There could be a lot of low-hanging fruit for the Labour party, should they have a leader worthy of the name.
 


Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,719
Hove
No party has ever won an election without appealing to the centre ground (wherever it is at that time). What corbyn has done is preach to the choir but not engaged the centre ground. He may not have been a fan of the EU but he certainly can't be any more enamoured with the alternative

That was always Michael Foot's great weakness. He'd go to a Labour rally, speak to the crowd, get massive cheers and leave with the mistaken belief the country was with him!
 


ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
6,180
Just far enough away from LDC
Very much so. And I'd go a bit further too.

I thought it was interesting to hear Boris Johnson roundly boo-ed by those waiting for him to leave his house this morning. There will be a considerable number of those moderately right of centre who will be appalled at what Johnson represents, whether he goes on to lead the Conservative Party or not. A strong Labour leader should be able to appeal and communicate to these people. There could be a lot of low-hanging fruit for the Labour party, should they have a leader worthy of the name.

Sorry but my old party are in a mess. They are all aligned as one largely in terms of members but the parliamentary party who are actually closer to the public majority in viewpoint (except for this referendum) are on a different plane

They are two leaders from power. The next one will be seen as undoing corbyn's work (like kinnock was to foot/callaghan /Wilson) and the one that follows may be seen as the electable one (john Smith had a 16point lead over major when he died)
 






ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,730
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
I'm not a Labour party supporter, but this country desperately needs a strong, reasserted Labour party and quickly.
 




Lincoln Imp

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Feb 2, 2009
5,964
No Blairite member of Labour will be acceptable as leader, Corbyn will stand down when the right candidate is there who can take the party forward with a mandate to be an effective opposition and then an effective government.

Benn, Umuna, Reeves, Kendall and all the other New Labour MP's must accept that party is finished and need to move on and either support the mandate the membership gives them or leave the party.

I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Burnham tried again, a lot more acceptable to the general public after the Hillsborough inquest.

Benn, Umana, etc don't have much of a career ahead of them as members of an unelectable party - better to take a deep breath, form a grand alliance with the pro-EU centrist wing of the Conservative Party (who also won't have much of a career ahead of them when the Fat Philanderer takes over), force a general election and fight it on a Stop the Negotiations ticket. Wait a few months for the economic disasters of 23 June to start biting and, who knows.
 






Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,110
Surrey
You were right the first time. Chuka is the right man for the job
Let's see who actually applies. The biggest priority is surely a person who can appeal to the centre ground, which of course means standing up to the left-wing bullies who see this blindingly obvious situation as some sort of sell-out. That's why I suggested Ummuna. Hilary Benn is also an excellent shout though, as is Andy Burnham if you're looking for someone to straddle the wings of the party, but I think both risk missing the low hanging fruit Bozza refers to.
 






Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,521
I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Burnham tried again, a lot more acceptable to the general public after the Hillsborough inquest.

He's lost twice already- both times by a comfortable margin! Hillsborough ain't gonna change that.

The next Labour leader needs to somehow embrace the anti-immigration feeling that their core supporters clearly have. That leader will have to work with Brexit too and reclaim the votes UKIP has taken from them, as well as appealing to disaffected Lib Dems whose party has vanished.

There is no candidate who could accomplish all of that without backtracking on their REMAIN credentials - none of the Labour Leave MPs are credible leadership candidates.

If Scotland leaves the UK in a second referendum then both Labour and Lib Dems might be better off creating a "Democrats / Whigs / SDP"-style left of centre party with a new agenda, away from the old party ties. I really think it is that bad for both parties that they'll have to consider taking this step.
 


Ernest

Stupid IDIOT
Nov 8, 2003
42,739
LOONEY BIN
Benn, Umana, etc don't have much of a career ahead of them as members of an unelectable party - better to take a deep breath, form a grand alliance with the pro-EU centrist wing of the Conservative Party (who also won't have much of a career ahead of them when the Fat Philanderer takes over), force a general election and fight it on a Stop the Negotiations ticket. Wait a few months for the economic disasters of 23 June to start biting and, who knows.

I was saying a few weeks ago if it was an exit vote then the traditional Tory v Labour 2 party battle is over, as you say the pro Europe Tories and the New Labour may indeed form a centre coalition whilst the Leave part of the Tories and the Left wing of the Labour do their own thing, UKIP are stronger than ever now as well as other protest parties may start to pop up.

Interesting times ahead.
 






Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,325
Uffern
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We all knew that though. It's totally meaningless, it has no clout.

I agree with Ernest and Lincoln Imp, the future has to be a new centrist party. Corbyn is not going to lose an election of the members and the centre are going to feel more and more uncomfortable, time to go and start anew, And there are going to be pro-EU Tories increasingly unhappy with their party, ready to join them.

It's going to be fun ....
 


Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard
Traditional red v blue politics has ended up with them all on the same side!!

I've been thinking for the last half an hour about how there isn't any political party that represents me, or pretty-much anyone I know, and I'm sure goes for a lot of the Remain side - 48%, not a small minority. We're generally college-educated, metropolitan, believe in fairness, against benefit cheats, anti-war, pro-investment in public services, well-travelled, strong belief in human rights, compassionate, pro-LGBT, pro-European integration, have strong environmental values - and I don't know where we exactly fit anymore. There's always been a compassionate conservative wing where some were comfortable, New Labour was a home for most of us until we went to war, then the libdems were attractive until they sold out. Green's have benefited - but if we want to be in power, set the agenda, where the hell do we go right now?

We've never really had a home, and now today is as bad as it gets
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Maybe Chuka is a poor alternative, said in the heat of the moment. But for me, Labour are a total disaster with Corbyn running them. They need to re-take the centre ground, and fast.
I'd vote Labour with Frank Field at the helm .
 


Tekanne

New member
Feb 4, 2015
449
Traditional red v blue politics has ended up with them all on the same side!!

I've been thinking for the last half an hour about how there isn't any political party that represents me, or pretty-much anyone I know, and I'm sure goes for a lot of the Remain side - 48%, not a small minority. We're generally college-educated, metropolitan, believe in fairness, against benefit cheats, anti-war, pro-investment in public services, well-travelled, strong belief in human rights, compassionate, pro-LGBT, pro-European integration, have strong environmental values - and I don't know where we exactly fit anymore. There's always been a compassionate conservative wing where some were comfortable, New Labour was a home for most of us until we went to war, then the libdems were attractive until they sold out. Green's have benefited - but if we want to be in power, set the agenda, where the hell do we go right now?

We've never really had a home, and now today is as bad as it gets

Absolutely where I am at moment. It's a mess.
 




BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,318
Burnham will go for mayor of Manchester. He will unlikely stand a third time. Yvette cooper performed well in the referendum I thought and isn't it time the labour party had a female leader?

Tory supporter here.
I know she threw her hat in the ring last time and had little support, but I like Liz Kendall. She usually talks a lot of sense, is intelligent, feisty, and dare I say it, looks good in the media.
Perhaps her time has not yet come for the leadership, but I would certainly like to see her in a senior position in a good strong effective Opposition.
 





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