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Boy Blue

Banned
Mar 14, 2016
766
So why aren't we able to ban European criminals who've been convicted here?

We've hundreds of rapists, burglars and murderous walking amongst our mist but unable to deport them let alone ban them from our shores.

Why have France got different rules and laws than us considering we're all part of this great EU.

Seems one way traffic when it comes to law and order.
 


Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard
So why aren't we able to ban European criminals who've been convicted here?

We've hundreds of rapists, burglars and murderous walking amongst our mist but unable to deport them let alone ban them from our shores.

Why have France got different rules and laws than us considering we're all part of this great EU.

Seems one way traffic when it comes to law and order.

Well, obviously it is not the case that we cannot ban European criminals if we choose, you've just been fed a lie by the scare-mongering Leavers.

'The EU’s 2004 citizenship directive makes it clear that the free movement of people within the EU is not an unqualified right and can be restricted on grounds of “public policy, public security or public health”. This means that serious offenders can be denied entry and the right to live in Britain. However, the directive does say “previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures”, but adds that convicted criminals can be excluded on a case-by-case basis if they present “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society”.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Well, obviously it is not the case that we cannot ban European criminals if we choose, you've just been fed a lie by the scare-mongering Leavers.

'The EU’s 2004 citizenship directive makes it clear that the free movement of people within the EU is not an unqualified right and can be restricted on grounds of “public policy, public security or public health”. This means that serious offenders can be denied entry and the right to live in Britain. However, the directive does say “previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures”, but adds that convicted criminals can be excluded on a case-by-case basis if they present “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society”.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims
Well why the f*ck DON'T we bloody well use it then ? A convicted rapist or murderer constitutes a threat for the rest of their lives imo.
 




Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard




Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall
Jul 5, 2011
3,120
Brighton
So why aren't we able to ban European criminals who've been convicted here?

We've hundreds of rapists, burglars and murderous walking amongst our mist but unable to deport them let alone ban them from our shores.

Why have France got different rules and laws than us considering we're all part of this great EU.

Seems one way traffic when it comes to law and order.

bit thick?
 


Boy Blue

Banned
Mar 14, 2016
766
Well, obviously it is not the case that we cannot ban European criminals if we choose, you've just been fed a lie by the scare-mongering Leavers.

'The EU’s 2004 citizenship directive makes it clear that the free movement of people within the EU is not an unqualified right and can be restricted on grounds of “public policy, public security or public health”. This means that serious offenders can be denied entry and the right to live in Britain. However, the directive does say “previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures”, but adds that convicted criminals can be excluded on a case-by-case basis if they present “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society”.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

We can't deport wanted criminals because the european prisons aren't to our standard. Has that Italian Mafia chap been deported yet?, been yrs now and he's still here as Italy prisons are harsh and inhuman. I've always wondered why the world criminals flock here, now I know, it's because we can't deport no one while we're in the EU.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582589
 










hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,094
Chandlers Ford
Why are all these foreign baddies wandering about in the mist, anyway?
 




Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342






Boy Blue

Banned
Mar 14, 2016
766
A knob who throws bottles at police officers and sings vulgar songs vs a person seeking political asylum from a place where their lives are at risk?

Nope

Bet you don't object to us and Palace fans singing vulgar songs at each other do you?

We take Syrian people in and what do they do when they arrive, yup, rape girls. Gratitude for you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636665/Four-Syrian-immigrants-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-Newcastle-park-just-weeks-invited-UK-Government-refugee-relocation-scheme.html
 


Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall
Jul 5, 2011
3,120
Brighton
People like you is what is wrong with our country and no doubt you'll be voting to stay in the referendum. Oh well, don't start crying.

How long would I have to stay in this referendum for?
 
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Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall
Jul 5, 2011
3,120
Brighton


Kalimantan Gull

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2003
12,898
Central Borneo / the Lizard

There's nothing really to say that these same people wouldn't have been given a work permit under post-leave immigration rules. The most likely reason that these people are here is that the UK Border Force was not aware of their criminal convictions when they entered Britain. Being part of closer European integration flags up these cases.

Again from the article linked to above http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims


Q: But what about the 50 cases of murderers and rapists cited by Vote Leave? Why weren’t they refused entry?

A: The most likely reason is that the UK Border Force was not aware of their criminal convictions when they entered Britain. The worst case cited in the dossier is that of Arnis Zalkalns, a Latvian builder who, having been jailed in his home country for murdering his wife, moved to Britain in 2007 before allegedly murdering 14-year-old Alice Gross in west London.

He came to London before EU laws on sharing information relating to criminal records came into effect in 2012. The limited measure focuses mainly on telling EU member states when one of their citizens has committed an offence abroad, but it may have flagged up Zalkalns before he arrived.

The problem is that the sharing of information regarding criminal convictions across Europe is still at a rudimentary stage. If someone is high profile, has committed serious crimes in several countries, or is on Europol’s wanted list, they are likely to be on the UK Border Force warning list database.

Countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal flag up potentially dangerous people so that they can be turned away at the border, but some EU states do not yet have the capacity to do this. EU membership means that Britain has access to the Schengen II database, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing suspects across Europe. The flow of foreign fighters returning from Syria has extended the EU databases tracking their movements.

Q: So the system does not always work?

A: That’s right, and the Vote Leave dossier catalogues 50 cases of convicted criminals who should have been excluded but were only picked up at a later stage, sometimes after they had committed further serious crimes in Britain.

Q: How can this be fixed?

A: Nick Clegg has proposed focusing on sharing conviction information on the most serious offences, such as murder and rape. The government has also opted back into a series of criminal justice measures known as the Prüm package, which allows the sharing of information on suspected criminals, such as fingerprints and DNA, and which many Eurosceptics voted against. It seems unlikely that taking Britain out of the EU would persuade its European partners to put more effort into sharing information about convicted criminals with the UK.

Verdict: EU membership does not stop the UK turning away convicted serious criminals at its borders. But further EU integration in the shape of more information sharing could make this more effective.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims
 




daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic





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