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Trump and Clinton edge closer to the GOP and Democrat nominations



Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
5,129
Results in the New York Primary based on 87% of the vote counted.

Clinton 57% and Sanders 43%

Trump 60%, Kasich 25% and Cruz 15%

Both Democrats and Trump have strong connections with New York with Clinton having represented New York in the US Senate and Sanders was born in Brooklyn. Bernie really needed to get within 10 per cent of Clinton and it’s starting to look like he has a real tough time ahead if he is to catch up with Hillary Clinton. Trump is back on track with a bigger share of the vote than predicted. Ted Cruz was the real loser of the night with the pundits saying that if he loses the primary in Indiana he will probably have to drop out of the race.
 






jimhigham

jimhigham

Je Suis Rhino
Apr 25, 2009
7,738
Woking
I'd imagine that this realistically ends Bernie's challenge, although I'd still expect him to stay in the race. It's hard to see how it is possible for him to get anything like the delegates required now, as he really seemed to need New York and California.

The OP is our man on the ground here. Does he agree?
 




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GingerBeerMan

3-0
Dec 29, 2011
8,026
jimhigham said:
I'd imagine that this realistically ends Bernie's challenge, although I'd still expect him to stay in the race. It's hard to see how it is possible for him to get anything like the delegates required now, as he really seemed to need New York and California.

The OP is our man on the ground here. Does he agree?
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Bernie needs 59% of the remaining vote to overturn Hillary's lead. Unfortunately it won't happen. Big decision for some democrats coming up: vote for Hillary or abstain and perhaps have a Trump presidency. Are these really the two best individuals America can find in their 300m population?
 




Saturn

Saturn

Vicarious
Feb 11, 2016
186
I think, rather sadly, that Bernie's race is pretty much run now, although I don’t expect to see him dropping out in any official capacity just yet.
 


Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

Well-known member
Jan 16, 2008
5,129
jimhigham said:
I'd imagine that this realistically ends Bernie's challenge, although I'd still expect him to stay in the race. It's hard to see how it is possible for him to get anything like the delegates required now, as he really seemed to need New York and California.

The OP is our man on the ground here. Does he agree?
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Pretty much. Bernie's had a great run and he's brought a lot of attention to some of the inequalities which still exist in America. If anything he may have forced Hillary to move a bit more to the left to pick up some of his voters, but he was always up against an establishment figure. Some of his supporters are saying they will abstain in the next round rather than back Hillary - but when push comes to shove will they risk Trump getting elected?
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,310
Lyndhurst 14 said:
Some of his supporters are saying they will abstain in the next round rather than back Hillary - but when push comes to shove will they risk Trump getting elected?
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there will be a lot of soul searching over this i imagine. Though whats the current story on the Republicans, doesnt look as if Trump will make the required number and it will go to convention. they shirley cant back Cruz over him (or would want to as i see it), so who's the unity candidate?
 




Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
5,129
The Republicans really only have themselves to blame for their current position – ending up with a Presidential candidate they don’t really want. They did the same thing in 2012 with Mitt Romney. Still – if you keep putting forward a group of totally unsuitable candidates for selection what do you expect? America has moved on – they haven’t. Cruz is a really nasty piece of work and even a lot of Republicans can see that which only leaves Kasich, Paul Ryan has already said he's not interested. So looks like the Republican Convention is going to have to make some difficult choices. A lot of people are really enjoying watching the GOP implode
 


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GingerBeerMan

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Dec 29, 2011
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Lyndhurst 14 said:
The Republicans really only have themselves to blame for their current position – ending up with a Presidential candidate they don’t really want. They did the same thing in 2012 with Mitt Romney. Still – if you keep putting forward a group of totally unsuitable candidates for selection what do you expect? America has moved on – they haven’t. Cruz is a really nasty piece of work and even a lot of Republicans can see that which only leaves Kasich, Paul Ryan has already said he's not interested. So looks like the Republican Convention is going to have to make some difficult choices. A lot of people are really enjoying watching the GOP implode
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Surely coming towards the end of the GOP as one of the two parties. I'd love to see voting figures by age group for dem vs. rep, but surely the upcoming generation is more liberal? Could this lead to a two party system where the democrats are center/right and a new party forms around social democrats to pick up the millions of votes Sanders managed to claim in this period.
 


Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
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What is interesting is that Bernie Sanders - a democratic socialist - got such an impressive share of the vote. This seems to be clearly saying a lot of Americans are tired of the status quo and are looking for some real changes
 




beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
35,310
GingerBeerMan said:
Could this lead to a two party system where the democrats are center/right and a new party forms around social democrats to pick up the millions of votes Sanders managed to claim in this period.
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missing a rather large cohort of others from center-right, libertarians, right-wing and outright-nut-job that seem to coalesce around the republican standard. im not sure they are ready to deal with a three party system, so the republicans (and democrats) will change. or not, but continue anyway.

(strong parallels here, where the Labour/Liberals/Conservatives don't really match groups in the electorate)
 


jimhigham

jimhigham

Je Suis Rhino
Apr 25, 2009
7,738
Woking
Lyndhurst 14 said:
Pretty much. Bernie's had a great run and he's brought a lot of attention to some of the inequalities which still exist in America. If anything he may have forced Hillary to move a bit more to the left to pick up some of his voters, but he was always up against an establishment figure. Some of his supporters are saying they will abstain in the next round rather than back Hillary - but when push comes to shove will they risk Trump getting elected?
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The fear is that she will go all "Etch-a-Sketch" and revert back to her establishment positions once she has put Sanders back in his box.
 


Sheebo

Sheebo

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Jul 13, 2003
29,287
Currently 3-2 down to some Chinese fella :thumbsup:
 




Horton's halftime iceberg

Horton's halftime iceberg

Blooming Marvellous
Jan 9, 2005
16,484
Brighton
Saturn said:
I think, rather sadly, that Bernie's race is pretty much run now, although I don’t expect to see him dropping out in any official capacity just yet.
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All the time their is the threat of prosecution and govermemt investigation into Clinton it is worth Saunders carrying on as it could affect the voting in the up coming primarys. Plus Saunders has raised all his money from crowd sourcing so feels millions are supporting him and his message and perhaps has a duty to keep voicing it.
 




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