Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Is now the time to move on? Should Northern Ireland be given back to Ireland, Britain's EU partners.
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AmexRuislip
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It's good to have a healthy debate on the above, from people looking in on the outside, but it's the NI folk that ultimately have to live with decision.
I think there should be a serious referendum on the subject, and NI given the right to self govern along the Scottish route.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Don't think the Republic wants the UVF,UDA,RHC dumped on them-they only have a mickey mouse army and police force!
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Is there ANY support in Northern Ireland for an outcome that would involve self-government from Belfast, without any relationship with either London or Dublin?
Or am I misunderstanding your point?
Should we give the Falklands to Argentina while we're at it?
The only people who should make any kind of decision are the Northern Irish themselves - they should not be seen as ours to 'give' to anyone.
The only people who should make any kind of decision are the Northern Irish themselves - they should not be seen as ours to 'give' to anyone.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Well...if it's down to self-determination then the majority of Ulstermen and women including a majority of Catholics wish to remain British. I stronlgy suspect that the Republic don't want Ulster and our current government in power is the Conservative and Unionist Party so that's a no-go too. It doesn't look like there's much to debate unless you want to sit down with murderous IRA scum and chew the fat.
Paul Reids Sock
Well-known member
Completely agree. The people who live there should have the choice over what happens.
I think they should be allowed to join Ireland, stay as they are or even go completely independent if it is what they desire. We have moved on massively from country's owning others but I am more than happy for them to stay as is if it is what the people there want
AmexRuislip
Trainee Spy 🕵️♂️
No misunderstanding, just a suggestion that was made by my neighbour a while ago, who comes from NI, and wondered if it could happen, the same as Scotland.
Basically a change for the better?
- Apr 5, 2014
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Eventually the Catholic population will outnumber the Protestant. Things will probably change. The most important thing is that people are mature about it. That area of land belongs to those who live there, we have no ownership rights. Relationships between the communities is the top priority, not the system of governance. Great strides have been made in recent times.
studio150
Well-known member
Surely it is up to the people of Northern Ireland to decide, but would they want to just be a region of Ireland and governed from Dublin.
As well as the political issues, there are additional barriers such as Ireland using the Euro. Also want happens if the vote is to leave the EU later this year, and then a short while after NI would be back in as part of Ireland.
If there is no desire to push this from within NI then best left as is.
As well as the political issues, there are additional barriers such as Ireland using the Euro. Also want happens if the vote is to leave the EU later this year, and then a short while after NI would be back in as part of Ireland.
If there is no desire to push this from within NI then best left as is.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
And the majority of Catholics with to remain British. Nothing changes. Ulster is British.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
I reckon that any sit down today with any of the aged and retired murderers from both sides of the conflict would quickly reach a consensus that the peace process was worth sticking with.
The people to worry about are the kids and the young men in their twenties who might easily be distracted into a romantic notion that their generation shouldn't miss out on the excitement that their parents' generation enjoyed.
The Spanish
Well-known member
Indeed, and a successful and profitable trouser manufacturing industry is vital for the provinces stability and prosperity.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Tell that to the family of David Ismay, a prison guard murdered by IRA murderers just earlier this month. I'm sure that's proven to be more than enough excitement for his family.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Ok, I'll add to my list of people to worry about and include anyone who thinks that revenge killings are a sensible way forward.
London Irish
Well-known member
The joke of all this is that the Northern Ireland protestants are already being governed by Sinn Fein members of the Stormont executive there. The idea that it would be now such a big step for them to be governed by one of Ireland's two Tory parties Fine Gael and Fianna Fail in Dublin is clearly nonsense. This is actually a conflict that is more or less historically finished and it's amusing to see all the little rightwing nutjobs on here pretend otherwise
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
That's not what I meant. It was the illusion that because IRA terrorists no longer blow up children in English shopping centres that the troubles have all gone away and the terrorists have all become model citizens. They haven't. They never did.
London Irish
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If you had your way, Irish people would still be killing each other in vast numbers. Thankfully your politics belongs in the last century so do kindly **** off
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Eh? How on earth have you come to that conclusion from what I've written here? On the basis that you've either deliberately misconstrued what I've written or are just a bit dense I'll ignore your advice. Hope that's okay.