Exactly, astonishing we the voters kinda accept this stance as if its already factored in to our psyche and so it continues.
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Micheal Gove and Boris Johnson.
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Exactly, astonishing we the voters kinda accept this stance as if its already factored in to our psyche and so it continues.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
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I like Gove he stands up to vested interests ....
Michael Gove proven right as schoolkids in deprived areas finally have education to match Eton
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-gove-proven-right-schoolkids-6301722
(sorry for the biased source)
... and Andrew Neil on the Daily politics plus he is currently attempting to reform Prisons in an enlightened direction which is courageous considering the hang em flog em Tory mindset.
He is putting country before party and career which some might consider principled and worthy of praise.
Michael Gove proven right as schoolkids in deprived areas finally have education to match Eton
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-gove-proven-right-schoolkids-6301722
(sorry for the biased source)
... and Andrew Neil on the Daily politics plus he is currently attempting to reform Prisons in an enlightened direction which is courageous considering the hang em flog em Tory mindset.
He is putting country before party and career which some might consider principled and worthy of praise.
Publius Ovidius
Well-known member
Johnson is very far from being a buffoon. From his editorial skills to his running of London, he has shown he is no idiot at all.
If Cameron loses the vote in June...he will stand down and there will be a leadership contest between Johnson and our esteemed chancellor!!! Johnson will win and ge the next prime minister.
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
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Indeed. Plays it up
melias shoes
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If he don't he'll be a goon I take it? Got a feeling he'll back IN.
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Sorry, but even the Tory Faithful can't see Boris as anything other than a London-centric buffoon shirley? Or are they even more stupid than they give every appearance of being?
The general consensus among political commentators is that he is anything but that. It's just his public face.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Mrs V is a teacher, I'm well aware of the Dwarf from Hell !
Saladpack Seagull
Just Shut Up and Paddle
If only this were true.......
True, but I guess you don't know much about Boris?
He's obviously not stupid. But he's no political intellectual heavyweight either. His style is to surround himself with good policy makers. Nothing wrong with this either, but I want my leaders to be the brains, not the cheer leaders.
Kuipers Supporters Club
Well-known member
As reported last night seems like Boris is going to back leaving
1. Boris declares for Brexit
2. Boris becomes leader of OUT campaign
3. Brexit wins
4. PM resigns
5. Boris becomes PM
The Grassroots of the Tory party are eurosceptic. Hence Liam Fox now being in the leader in the latest leaders poll. The next PM will have backed Brexit and Boris know this.
1. Boris declares for Brexit
2. Boris becomes leader of OUT campaign
3. Brexit wins
4. PM resigns
5. Boris becomes PM
The Grassroots of the Tory party are eurosceptic. Hence Liam Fox now being in the leader in the latest leaders poll. The next PM will have backed Brexit and Boris know this.
mona
The Glory Game
Why not have wig-wearing Brightonian, Michael Fabricant, as leader of the Tory party?
How many intellectuals are there in parliament anyway?
How many intellectuals are there in parliament anyway?
The Birdman
New member
Hope DC changes his mind and stays and finish the job.
Norman Baker suck my lozenge
New member
drew
Drew
Can you point us in the direction of the list of schools in deprived areas that are outperforming the private schools. The report just refers to 500 state schools outperforming private schools but doesn't give any examples, especially of those in deprived areas.
sir albion
New member
It's a bit pathetic really why you have certain individuals waiting to jump onto a bandwagon that suits them and their career.Fact is you're either for the in or out camp and would have been for ages.
Typical politicians
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
That is complete and utter rubbish. I work in a school in a deprived area of Eastbourne. I have also visited private schools, not Eton which I assume has amazing facilities. All the private schools I've visited are blessed with incredible teacher to child ratios and have science labs, technology facilities, swimming pools etc which state schools can only dream about. I'd love to see evidence for that statement, but it won't appear, because it doesn't exist. Michael Gove was a terrible secretary for education, divisive and arrogant.
I love what he says here about the UK eu referendum though:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/michael-gove-why-im-backing-leave/
Enrest for PM it is then!! but seriously - Gove and Johnson?? Which end of the pantomime horse is Gove? the arse end I'd imagine with Boris up front leading the way. It is a damning indictment of our political system and the mind numbing stupidity of the average Tory voter that either of these two clowns get anywhere near the top of our political system.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
So he doesn't actually have an opinion himself? Are these the sort of people who foist themselves upon us as Prime Minister material? Good grief!
I don't entirely agree with you here. For you, perhaps, 'in or out' is a very fundamental issue. For others, it isn't. I used to think I was strongly in favour of in, but I would struggle about this issue these days. I am not saying Boris is struggling (all his family are strongly in favour of 'in' so I seem to recall) though. He is just being a politician, trying to work out what is best. By best, here, I mean what is achievable. If he sees Europe in or out as a nuanced issue, as I do, then he is entitled to make up his mind in terms of balance, and what would benefit the country most, and yes, benefit himself most.
I can't believe I am on here defending Boris, but having slept on the issue I have better realised how difficult this will be for him.
Something else - 6 cabinet members have come out as 'outers'. Others (not sure how many) are 'inners'. I am beginning to think that Cameron is a very smart man indeed. He will presumably be presenting the whole vote thing as 'non party political' (except for UKIP but they are now almost certainly irrelevant), and by making a virtue of 'we will pursue the wishes of the people', it almost doesn't matter what the outcome of the vote will be. Except - of course - the outcome will be 'stay'. So in many respects Cameron has taken the sting out of the whole thing, and will emerge unscathed after the vote.
Thinking about that, it surprises me that Boris hasn't realised this and jumped on the 'stay' bandwagon, one with which I suspect he has the greatest sympathy. Perhaps if he dithers too much longer it really will harm him.
Anyway, my political instincts are notoriously poor so I have probably got all this wrong
