BensGrandad
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Son reckons the tackle by Dunk in the 1st half should have been a penalty 100% From my seat I didnt think so.
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Should Brentford have had a penalty
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crookie
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Shot was got away cleanly before the foul, but then the one Greer gave away, was it against Burnley away ? The guy had already crossed it before the foul and the penalty was given. So if that is the law, then it is a penalty, if it isn't, Greer's shouldn't have been. Hope that clears it up !!!
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Similar situation to the pen at Derby. He got the shot away before the tackle but it was a desperate lunge and as they say 'seen them given'.
Thunder Bolt
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Yes I saw that, as it was almost in front of me.
No Brentford shouldn't have had a penalty. The ball was played before the player went down.
bobby baxter
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- Jan 31, 2014
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This happened right in front of me, both the link and ref had a good view, nailed on penalty
Since1982
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Dunk got there as quickly as he could! To be fair, after his one moment of poor concentration (again) I thought he was very good last night - a decent pairing with Goldson.
Wilka
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It was 100% a pen. People around us said it wasn't a penalty because the ball had gone?! If anything that makes it more of a penalty because it was so late!
BensGrandad
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Does that exonerate the foul
Thunder Bolt
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What foul? The player fell over Dunk, whilst he (Dunk) was playing the ball. There was no contact made by Dunk, so therefore the Brentford player wasn't fouled.
BensGrandad
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So why are people saying it was 100% a penalty if there was no contact or foul.
GT49er
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Didn't think it would, but..........
Best stick with the standard manager's response. "I didn't have a clear view of it, and I haven't had a chance to watch the replays yet." Problem solved!
Thunder Bolt
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It can look different, from different angles in the stadium.
BensGrandad
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That sounds like a Wenger or Ferguson response
Sussex Nomad
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Should have been a pen but swings and roundabouts, Dunk should never have had a penalty awarded against him v Burnley(?). So take the rough with the smooth.
Guy Fawkes
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- Sep 29, 2007
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Do those that think it was a penalty also think that Wilson should have had a penalty after the sliding clearance / tackle that brought him down after the defender cleared it in the 2nd half (or a free kick to them for a foul by Wilson on their defender if not?)
Whether a penalty is given isn't really related to whether a shot is taken or not, but whether it was a foul or not. The shot being taken or not would factor into whether the player gets a red card for 'denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity'.
warmleyseagull
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The Laws of Football:
FIFA Laws of the Game 2015-16
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
trips or attempts to trip an opponent
jumps at an opponent
charges an opponent
strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
pushes an opponent
tackles an opponent
Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...fouls-and-misconduct.aspx#IQErY5Km61uCgWqK.99
Nothing to say that you have to have the ball to be fouled (otherwise an elbow in the face when jumping for a 50:50 would not even be a foul). This was a pen IMO and Dunk was lucky.
FIFA Laws of the Game 2015-16
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
trips or attempts to trip an opponent
jumps at an opponent
charges an opponent
strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
pushes an opponent
tackles an opponent
Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...fouls-and-misconduct.aspx#IQErY5Km61uCgWqK.99
Nothing to say that you have to have the ball to be fouled (otherwise an elbow in the face when jumping for a 50:50 would not even be a foul). This was a pen IMO and Dunk was lucky.
Guy Fawkes
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So as Wilson was tripped by the defender clearing the ball when he was through on goal, using your posted information, was that a penalty then?
Clearly it was actually a piece of good defending by the Brentford player and not a penalty, but if people are saying that Dunks slide to try to block the shot which their player then may or may not have made contact with due to their follow through, why isn't it the same for Wilson or maybe a foul by Wilson on their defender?
Or is this part the key to why is wasn't a penalty:
"a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force" - was Dunks attempt to block any of these - I don't believe so (did Sky say they thought it was a penalty or highlight it as a controversial moment from the match?)