Cyclist Vs Car (again!)

Notters · Feb 3, 2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35472617

Surely this loophole needs to be closed re "you can't prove who's driving"? Hope the same doesn't happen for the recent Brighton incident.

Bozza · Feb 3, 2016

Jeez. I had assumed the camera was on a car and was going to capture the collision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ua92cASvgw

Psychobilly freakout · Feb 3, 2016

Bozza said:
Jeez. I had assumed the camera was on a car and was going to capture the collision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ua92cASvgw

Thanks Reginald for your self righteous video ... I will remember that when I watch cyclists going through red lights, riding two abreast, under cutting lorries and buses, & riding on the pedestrian footpaths when there is perfectly good cycle lane or road.

Do you have to take a test to ride a bicycle ? No thought not, until that day....

As he says though their lives do matter, no less, or no more than anyone else though....

SAC · Feb 3, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
Thanks Reginald for your self righteous video ... I will remember that when I watch cyclists going through red lights, riding two abreast, under cutting lorries and buses, & riding on the pedestrian footpaths when there is perfectly good cycle lane or road.

Do you have to take a test to ride a bicycle ? No thought not, until that day....

As he says though their lives do matter, no less, or no more than anyone else though....

You forgot that they don't pay ROAD TAX either. Must try harder next time.

seagully · Feb 3, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
Thanks Reginald for your self righteous video ... I will remember that when I watch cyclists going through red lights, riding two abreast, under cutting lorries and buses, & riding on the pedestrian footpaths when there is perfectly good cycle lane or road.

Do you have to take a test to ride a bicycle ? No thought not, until that day....

As he says though their lives do matter, no less, or no more than anyone else though....

studio150 · Feb 3, 2016

Notters said:
Surely this loophole needs to be closed re "you can't prove who's driving"? Hope the same doesn't happen for the recent Brighton incident.

And how do you propose closing this 'loophole' ?

There is already an offence for not providing driver details. You can't be suggesting that the registered keeper has to face the courts in place of the driver, given that this immediately falls down if the vehicle is stolen, or being road tested by a garage or others.

Psychobilly freakout · Feb 3, 2016

seagully said:

Correct attitude of some of the cyclists I see about, expect nothing less.

No better or worse than some car drivers, including myself just another accident.

Megazone · Feb 3, 2016

Put that driver on a bike and see how confident he looks when his body sweat rusts up his bike chain.

daveinprague · Feb 3, 2016

Seemed more like attempted murder than an accident. Why were the cars indicator both flashing?
For the record, im neither a cyclist, nor a car driver. :smile:

Gazwag · Feb 3, 2016

daveinprague said:
Why were the cars indicator both flashing?:

I think its the reflection of those flashing lights on the back of the bike, the ones which at night completely blind other road users

Easy 10 · Feb 3, 2016

The cyclist seems convinced it was a deliberate malicious act by the driver, but I'm not sure from the footage if that was actually deliberate. The driver was probably looking at his phone or something, it would be utterly bizarre to do that on purpose for no reason.

Not that it excuses it obviously, or makes any difference to the outcome.

Yoda · Feb 3, 2016

studio150 said:
And how do you propose closing this 'loophole' ?

There is already an offence for not providing driver details. You can't be suggesting that the registered keeper has to face the courts in place of the driver, given that this immediately falls down if the vehicle is stolen, or being road tested by a garage or others.

Why not? They're obviously trying to hide something, or at least charge them with perverting the course of justice.

If it had been stolen then there would be a report of it being stolen, therefore it could not be the registered keeper. Same for a car being road tested from a garage.

The only trouble could be where someones trying to sell privately, but lets be honest. You wouldn't let a complete stranger test drive your car on their own would you?

daveinprague · Feb 3, 2016

Gazwag said:
I think its the reflection of those flashing lights on the back of the bike, the ones which at night completely blind other road users

Must be very powerful, as you can see them flashing in the far distance?

father_and_son · Feb 3, 2016

Notters said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35472617

Surely this loophole needs to be closed re "you can't prove who's driving"? Hope the same doesn't happen for the recent Brighton incident.

What loophole is this??

Without a witness or a confession who do you hold responsible?

Why should this crime be any different from any other crime where someone isn't prosecuted because there is no proof that they committed it and not someone else?

"Innocent until proven guilty" may be an awkward principle at times but it is the principle our entire justice system is built on. The Blackstone principle ["Better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man is punished"] is unfortunate when you are the victim of one of the 10, but what is the alternative??

Papa Lazarou · Feb 3, 2016

daveinprague said:
Seemed more like attempted murder than an accident. Why were the cars indicator both flashing?
For the record, im neither a cyclist, nor a car driver.

Yes, it's like the car had hazards flashing.

Acker79 · Feb 3, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
Correct attitude of some of the cyclists I see about, expect nothing less.

No better or worse than some car drivers, including myself just another accident.

So, no sympathy for a car driver who gets rammed off the road and crashes causing serious injury for no reason by another driver who then gets away with it, either?

Lovely.

Bad Ash · Feb 3, 2016

father_and_son said:
What loophole is this??

Without a witness or a confession who do you hold responsible?

Why should this crime be any different from any other crime where someone isn't prosecuted because there is no proof that they committed it and not someone else?

"Innocent until proven guilty" may be an awkward principle at times but it is the principle our entire justice system is built on. The Blackstone principle ["Better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man is punished"] is unfortunate when you are the victim of one of the 10, but what is the alternative??

My argument would be that it's reasonable to expect that the owner of the vehicle or the person hiring it was driving it, or that if they weren't they could provide details of the person who was. If they weren't driving they would state who was or provide evidence that they weren't, and by not providing the details the owner/hirer should be considered guilty.

Psychobilly freakout · Feb 3, 2016

Acker79 said:
So, no sympathy for a car driver who gets rammed off the road and crashes causing serious injury for no reason by another driver who then gets away with it, either?

Lovely.

I have sympathy for anyone involved in an "Accident" . As I stated it is just another one caused by driver error as cyclists make them too. However when I had an accident in on my scooter when a van pulled out in front of me, I did not post a video on youtube expecting sympathy or wanting the government to educate people it was an accident.

I just don't like the holier than thou attitude of the video using the environment, we are people etc..... yes we know that, and there are tv advert's, billboards posters signs everywhere urging us to be cautious & courteous to cyclists, motorbikes and other road users.... why do some people think they are on a crusade.... It was an accident & if not I am sure he would have gone to the police and they would have warned him not post the video as it may affect the case.....

sten_super · Feb 3, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
I have sympathy for anyone involved in an "Accident" . As I stated it is just another one caused by driver error as cyclists make them too. However when I had an accident in on my scooter when a van pulled out in front of me, I did not post a video on youtube expecting sympathy or wanting the government to educate people it was an accident.

I just don't like the holier than thou attitude of the video using the environment, we are people etc..... yes we know that, and there are tv advert's, billboards posters signs everywhere urging us to be cautious & courteous to cyclists, motorbikes and other road users.... why do some people think they are on a crusade.... It was an accident & if not I am sure he would have gone to the police and they would have warned him not post the video as it may affect the case.....

It depends on your definition of accident. I would say that an accident is an incident where no action could have been taken by anyone involved to avoid it. I think there are a very small number of genuine accidents on the road, and this is clearly not one. The driver of the car, whether wilfully or through a complete lack of attention, has hit and injured another road user, and should be held responsible for that.

I honestly don't understand your acceptance of this kind of 'accident' - are you genuinely happy to accept the 1,775 deaths and 22,807 serious injuries (2014 figures) on the road in a year as some kind of 'necessary evil' to allow motorised transport, and think that nothing should be done to improve driver behaviour and attempt to reduce them?

Bold Seagull · Feb 3, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
I have sympathy for anyone involved in an "Accident"

Even those that caused it!?

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