Jeremy Corbyn's OK Christmas Message.

DavidinSouthampton · Dec 21, 2015

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/62...re-again-for-comparing-Christmas-to-SOCIALISM

Mr Corbyn under fire again from the Daily Express.

Although I am left-leaning, I am not a supporter of Mr Corbyn. But as a person of faith, I happen to think he has a point - in fact several good points, and plenty of people within the Churches would agree and would be saying similar things at points over Christmas.

Part of the criticism is that Christmas is about People, not poitics, but for me, Politics is about People. To cut a long story short, as Archbishop Desmond Tutu once said, "Anyone who thinks that the Church and Politics don't mix is reading a different Bible to me!".

SteveTheSeagull · Dec 21, 2015

More Corbyn Slaying from a right winged rag. Bet the Tories love this.

Gwylan · Dec 21, 2015

DavidinSouthampton said:
Although I am left-leaning, I am not a supporter of Mr Corbyn. But as a person of faith, I happen to think he has a point - in fact several good points, and plenty of people within the Churches would agree and would be saying similar things at points over Christmas.

I was at my daughter's carol service last week and the vicar made exactly the same comparison between Mary and Joseph and refugees. There were no rumblings of disagreement from the congregation so, presumably, this was thought an appropriate comparison. Not quite sure why it's OK for a vicar to say it but not Corbyn

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 21, 2015

"Corbyn blasted" - by who?

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 21, 2015

Pretty desperate stuff.

abc · Dec 21, 2015

I don't agree with 99% of what Corbyn says or stands for but he has a right to say what he thinks and believes.

At some point WE the electorate have got to allow ALL politicians to do so, otherwise we will never get anywhere as a country. I respect Corbyn for the fact that he is determined to speak his mind regardless of the flack he receives. It will probably make him unelectable which is a condemnation of how we approach democracy these days rather than necessarily what he is actually saying

pastafarian · Dec 21, 2015

Corbyn AND Christ for christmas.

whoopee!

Eeyore · Dec 21, 2015

The papers are trying to undermine him, but it isn't working. People may not vote for him, but many like him as a person. The Tories are only going to reflect badly on themselves if they keep endorsing personal attacks.

I really like Corbyn, I just feel that he will struggle as a leader. He is an outstanding MP though.

Eeyore · Dec 21, 2015

abc said:
I don't agree with 99% of what Corbyn says or stands for but he has a right to say what he thinks and believes.

At some point WE the electorate have got to allow ALL politicians to do so, otherwise we will never get anywhere as a country. I respect Corbyn for the fact that he is determined to speak his mind regardless of the flack he receives. It will probably make him unelectable which is a condemnation of how we approach democracy these days rather than necessarily what he is actually saying

I agree with him on a lot of issues, but nonetheless endorse what you have said.

West Hoathly Seagull · Dec 21, 2015

DavidinSouthampton said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/62...re-again-for-comparing-Christmas-to-SOCIALISM

Mr Corbyn under fire again from the Daily Express.

Although I am left-leaning, I am not a supporter of Mr Corbyn. But as a person of faith, I happen to think he has a point - in fact several good points, and plenty of people within the Churches would agree and would be saying similar things at points over Christmas.

Part of the criticism is that Christmas is about People, not poitics, but for me, Politics is about People. To cut a long story short, as Archbishop Desmond Tutu once said, "Anyone who thinks that the Church and Politics don't mix is reading a different Bible to me!".

Gwylan said:
I was at my daughter's carol service last week and the vicar made exactly the same comparison between Mary and Joseph and refugees. There were no rumblings of disagreement from the congregation so, presumably, this was thought an appropriate comparison. Not quite sure why it's OK for a vicar to say it but not Corbyn

I agree. I am a Christian too, David, and though I am centre right leaning, I feel it is entirely right for this government to be brought up short when it gets things wrong. For example, my faith informs my opposition to the tax credit cuts, as well as the fact that to me to penalise those in work isn't a Tory thing to do. I probably disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on nearly everything apart from rail renationalisation, but I wonder if his uncompromising sticking to principles has kept the government on its toes more than a more moderate Labour leader would have done.

abc · Dec 21, 2015

West Hoathly Seagull said:
I agree. I am a Christian too, David, and though I am centre right leaning, I feel it is entirely right for this government to be brought up short when it gets things wrong. For example, my faith informs my opposition to the tax credit cuts, as well as the fact that to me to penalise those in work isn't a Tory thing to do. I probably disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on nearly everything apart from rail renationalisation, but I wonder if his uncompromising sticking to principles has kept the government on its toes more than a more moderate Labour leader would have done.

Also as a practising Christian, I do question whether it is appropriate for the C of E, who have recently announced assets of £6.7 BILLION, to lecture anybody on any aspect of poverty. My 'faith' is a personal non political matter but I find the political organisations that make up a ' Religion' utterly hypocritical

beorhthelm · Dec 21, 2015

its been said Jesus was the first socialist, so hardly a surprise he makes the comparison. though i have to comment on this: " 'Do unto others as you would have done to you' – that is the essence of my socialism, summed up in the word “solidarity”. thats bollcoks, the golden rule transends politics and religion, its universal in all cultures.

West Hoathly Seagull said:
...but I wonder if his uncompromising sticking to principles has kept the government on its toes more than a more moderate Labour leader would have done.

i doubt it, the excesses of recent policy have been reigned in by the Tory backbenches. they are the current serious opposition.

Tommy Tradlles · Dec 21, 2015

abc said:
Also as a practising Christian, I do question whether it is appropriate for the C of E, who have recently announced assets of £6.7 BILLION, to lecture anybody on any aspect of poverty. My 'faith' is a personal non political matter but I find the political organisations that make up a ' Religion' utterly hypocritical

Most of those assets are churches halls and clergy houses. Why do you object to the CofE having these assets?

London Irish · Dec 21, 2015

The media have embarrassed themselves and Corbyn has survived all the worst they can throw at him. Oldham has shown what can happen if the Labour party get behind him (better result than Blair in 1997 in that by-election). With the Tories about to kill each other over Europe, think it's set up very nicely for Jez next year

sussex_guy2k2 · Dec 21, 2015

London Irish said:
The media have embarrassed themselves and Corbyn has survived all the worst they can throw at him. Oldham has shown what can happen if the Labour party get behind him (better result than Blair in 1997 in that by-election). With the Tories about to kill each other over Europe, think it's set up very nicely for Jez next year

The Oldham result proved absolutely nothing.

And if Red Ed can't win a general election, Jezza C certainly wont as he's even less electable. He is the very definition of everything that is wrong with the idealistic element of the left.

London Irish · Dec 21, 2015

sussex_guy2k2 said:
The Oldham result proved absolutely nothing

Actual people voting proves nothing. Yeh ok :lolol:

beorhthelm · Dec 21, 2015

London Irish said:
The media have embarrassed themselves and Corbyn has survived all the worst they can throw at him. Oldham has shown what can happen if the Labour party get behind him (better result than Blair in 1997 in that by-election). With the Tories about to kill each other over Europe, think it's set up very nicely for Jez next year

is that the same Oldham election where the local party asked him not to visit in the closing week, and the winner failed to endorse Corbyn as asset to his campaign? Labour won the safe seat in spite of Corbyn.

sussex_guy2k2 · Dec 21, 2015

London Irish said:
Actual people voting proves nothing. Yeh ok

Actual people voting the same way they voted before proves nothing has changed

London Irish · Dec 21, 2015

beorhthelm said:
is that the same Oldham election where the local party asked him not to visit in the closing week, and the winner failed to endorse Corbyn as asset to his campaign? Labour won the safe seat in spite of Corbyn.

Oh dear - replying on what we read in Conservative Central Office propaganda sheets like the Telegraph are we?

McMahon praised Corbyn many times right from the moment he was selected to when he won the seat.

The media told the world the entire election was a referendum on Corbyn - that was until Corbyn won it, then it wasn't - then it was about everything else apart from that :wink:

gordonchas · Dec 21, 2015

beorhthelm said:
its been said Jesus was the first socialist

Whenever I see such a claim I always invoke P.J O'Rourke

"God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat.

God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle aged male, a stern fellow, patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.

Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatening. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without the thought of quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, and he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Claus."

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