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JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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The worse thing about the Andrew Fisher suspension is that it was Emily Benn, Tony Benn's granddaughter, that he stabbed in the back, politically speaking.

I folllow Mike Gapes on Twitter. He makes for very interesting reading.
 


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penny's harmonica

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Just so we are clear Corbyn is publicly supporting his his former policy advisor who urged voters not to vote Labour as the Labour candidate didn't represent Corbyns vision of Labour. Their preferred candidate was an anarchist who represents a party who believe in nothing. Far more in line with the new ideology.
 




JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Thunder Bolt said:
The worse thing about the Andrew Fisher suspension is that it was Emily Benn, Tony Benn's granddaughter, that he stabbed in the back, politically speaking.

I folllow Mike Gapes on Twitter. He makes for very interesting reading.
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Thanks for the info I just had a quick look and your right very interesting and informative.

penny's harmonica said:
Just so we are clear Corbyn is publicly supporting his his former policy advisor who urged voters not to vote Labour as the Labour candidate didn't represent Corbyns vision of Labour. Their preferred candidate was an anarchist who represents a party who believe in nothing. Far more in line with the new ideology.
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Yes apparently Corbyn's new style of politics includes Labour party rules not applying to his chosen followers.

On the plus side at least the more sensible voices within Labour do seem to be finally getting their act together and are digging in ready for the coming battles on the future direction of policy and the party.
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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Another spasm ....Corbyn accuses defence chief of political bias in nuclear row

Jeremy Corbyn has accused the chief of the defence staff of political bias after he criticised the Labour leader's anti-nuclear stance.
Gen Sir Nicholas Houghton told the BBC's Andrew Marr that refusing to launch nuclear weapons would "seriously undermine" Britain's "deterrent".
And he said he would be worried if such a view "translated into power".
Mr Corbyn called on the defence secretary to "take action" against Sir Nicholas over his comments.
In a statement, the Labour leader said: "It is a matter of serious concern that the chief of the defence staff has today intervened directly in issues of political dispute.
"It is essential in a democracy that the military remains politically neutral at all times.
"By publicly taking sides in current political arguments, Sir Nicholas Houghton has clearly breached that constitutional principle. Accordingly, I am writing to the defence secretary to ask him to take action to ensure that the neutrality of the armed forces is upheld."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759626

Meanwhile............. Maria Eagle Shadow Defence Secretary appeared to back Sir Nicholas, telling Andrew Marr: "I understand the point that he is making. It is the point that I made myself when Jeremy said what he said."
She defended the right of Britain's most senior military figure to speak out on such a politically sensitive issue.
"I don't think there is anything wrong with him expressing himself in those terms," she said.

Is Corbyn Leading the Labour party or is he a caretaker manager leading a team who have little if any respect for his ability to manage allowing individual shadow ministers to flatly contradict the Leader/ party message.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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JC Footy Genius said:
Corbyn aide Andrew Fisher suspended by Labour Party

"shadow, shadow cabinet"

Corbyn-sceptic MPs seize Labour policy positions

Labour moderate selected to stand in Oldham by-election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34736397 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34747379http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34751471

Looks like the moderate members in Labour are fighting back against the Corbyn insurgency not quite blood on the carpet but watch this space ...
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As a matter of interest, are you a labour person frustrated with it all, or a labour enemy having a gloat?

Personally I find 'events' to be interesting. On the one hand we have heard a long drone of complaint for years that the two parties are the same (Tory Blair etc), and on the other we have had a range of emotions expressed about how the two parties are now completely different. I can't make up my mind whether any of this is good or bad.

It was interested, however that today Cameron came out with a little bit of bait for the anti European contingent, On Remebrance Day. Was that not a cynical/clever bit of manouvering? As we remember the dead, let us not forget how much we cannot trust those Europeans, and how 'you can trust' the Tories to save us all, seemed to be the dog whistle.

Politics. Frankly, I hate it (and am crap at it, myself...).
 




JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
As a matter of interest, are you a labour person frustrated with it all, or a labour enemy having a gloat?

Personally I find 'events' to be interesting. On the one hand we have heard a long drone of complaint for years that the two parties are the same (Tory Blair etc), and on the other we have had a range of emotions expressed about how the two parties are now completely different. I can't make up my mind whether any of this is good or bad.

It was interested, however that today Cameron came out with a little bit of bait for the anti European contingent, On Remebrance Day. Was that not a cynical/clever bit of manouvering? As we remember the dead, let us not forget how much we cannot trust those Europeans, and how 'you can trust' the Tories to save us all, seemed to be the dog whistle.

Politics. Frankly, I hate it (and am crap at it, myself...).
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Not a fan of Corbyn/Socialism to put it mildly but do think we need a competent opposition to hold the government to account.

I think there has been a need to shake up the political landscape which Farage ( like or loathe him) has partly succeeded in doing but change as represented by Corbyn is an illusion IMO. Yes he is different some say principled , honest etc but he is clearly by any measure not up to the job. Some people on the left seem more interested with supposedly reclaiming the soul of Labour and burying Blairism than considering what's best for the country and how to win the next election.

Your right Cameron is trying to tread a fine line holding the Tory party together before the referendum. He will fall off at some point where an opposition not racked by internal divisions should be ready to exploit. As long as Corbyn remains the Tories get a straight run at the next 1 maybe 2 elections ie F*** all change!
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
JC Footy Genius said:
Not a fan of Corbyn/Socialism to put it mildly but do think we need a competent opposition to hold the government to account.

I think there has been a need to shake up the political landscape which Farage ( like or loathe him) has partly succeeded in doing but change as represented by Corbyn is an illusion IMO. Yes he is different some say principled , honest etc but he is clearly by any measure not up to the job. Some people on the left seem more interested with supposedly reclaiming the soul of Labour and burying Blairism than considering what's best for the country and how to win the next election.

Your right Cameron is trying to tread a fine line holding the Tory party together before the referendum. He will fall off at some point where an opposition not racked by internal divisions should be ready to exploit. As long as Corbyn remains the Tories get a straight run at the next 1 maybe 2 elections ie F*** all change!
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OK, so not a gloat, but a howl of anguish. Sort of :wink:

I see you fancy a bit of change, though. Paradoxically, to manage change effectively requires careful presentation, or the punters won't vote for you. That means minimising too much scarey change. This is how Mr Tony became so electrorally effective. But . . . .

I don't know what the answer is, but I do think that tolerating a bit of chaos is definitely a change. But is it he change people want? I don'y know. I'm not sure that battering new old labour at every turn helps, though.

Ironically, the Kinnock brand of change may fit your bill better. But the personality got in the way of the perception of the politics with that one. Welsh whanker, etc. Windbag. We are SUCH a sucker for the smooth talker and the emoter. Jezza certainly is not that. For that, I am grateful.

All the best.
 


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