[News] Scottish Labour vote to scrap Trident

JC Footy Genius · Nov 1, 2015

Scottish Labour party delegates have backed a vote to scrap the UK's Trident nuclear missile system, which is based at Faslane naval base on the Clyde.

A motion at the party's conference in Perth calling for the UK's nuclear deterrent not to be renewed was supported by an overwhelming majority.
Both party members and unions voted 70% in favour of the motion.
It means Labour now holds different positions on the issue north and south of the border.
However, UK leader Jeremy Corbyn supports not renewing the system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34687735

Labour in Scotland scrap Trident
Labour parliamentary party Keep Trident
Labour membership scrap Trident
Official current Labour policy Keep Trident
Labour Leader JC scrap Trident
Labour Shadow Cabinet ?

The phrase 'couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery springs to mind' . This countries defence safe in their hands :nono:

Tony Towner's Fridge · Nov 1, 2015

Like the economy would be? Pathetic, to say the least! I do however, hope that Scottish Labour have a resurgence of sorts, if nothing to dilute support for the Scottish National Socialist Party.

TNBA

TTF

JC Footy Genius · Nov 1, 2015

Tony Towner's Fridge said:
Like the economy would be? Pathetic, to say the least! I do however, hope that Scottish Labour have a resurgence of sorts, if nothing to dilute support for the Scottish National Socialist Party.

TNBA

TTF

Agreed, despite being a bit of a hobsons choice. Anything that weakens the SNP is a plus.

Triggaaar · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Labour in Scotland scrap Trident
Labour parliamentary party Keep Trident
Labour membership scrap Trident
Official current Labour policy Keep Trident
Labour Leader JC scrap Trident
Labour Shadow Cabinet ?

The phrase 'couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery springs to mind' . This countries defence safe in their hands

To be fair, I don't think that every MP in a party should have to have the same opinion on this subject. The only thing I have a problem with is the leader saying he wouldn't use the weapons that his party (were it the government) has decided to pay for. That's mental.

GingerBeerMan · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Agreed, despite being a bit of a hobsons choice. Anything that weakens the SNP is a plus.

Why? IMO Scotland could have had a society and economy like Norway or Sweden if they'd voted for independence, yet Glasgow has some of the lowest life expectancies in the UK. A SNP led independent Scotland could have been a great nation, I can't believe they wimped out.

JC Footy Genius · Nov 1, 2015

Triggaaar said:
To be fair, I don't think that every MP in a party should have to have the same opinion on this subject. The only thing I have a problem with is the leader saying he wouldn't use the weapons that his party (were it the government) has decided to pay for. That's mental.

I agree MP's can have a range of opinions the problem for Labour is there are different sections of the party who have diametrically opposing views on a major policy issue. Is it really credible for a serious political party to have different parts of the country advocating policies diametrically opposed to each other. Also the Leader to support policies diametrically opposed to current Labour policy, probably a majority of the shadow cabinet views and definitely a majority of the PLP's views.

GingerBeerMan said:
Why? IMO Scotland could have had a society and economy like Norway or Sweden if they'd voted for independence, yet Glasgow has some of the lowest life expectancies in the UK. A SNP led independent Scotland could have been a great nation, I can't believe they wimped out.

Because I want the UK to remain the UK as do a majority of the Scottish people.

Pavilionaire · Nov 1, 2015

If you purport to be a unified national political party then get a unified national policy on Trident. Labour is a f**king shambles.

alfredmizen · Nov 1, 2015

GingerBeerMan said:
Why? IMO Scotland could have had a society and economy like Norway or Sweden if they'd voted for independence, yet Glasgow has some of the lowest life expectancies in the UK. A SNP led independent Scotland could have been a great nation, I can't believe they wimped out.

Sounds great, can you just let us all know how they'd have paid for this utopia ?

Hampster Gull · Nov 1, 2015

Triggaaar · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
I agree MP's can have a range of opinions the problem for Labour is there are different sections of the party who have diametrically opposing views on a major policy issue.

Yes I see your point. I suspect it's as simple as Labour wanting to win votes in Scotland, and nothing to do with their true opinions.

GingerBeerMan · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Because I want the UK to remain the UK as do a majority of the Scottish people.

Any reason for that? Or just you don't like change?

alfredmizen said:
Sounds great, can you just let us all know how they'd have paid for this utopia ?

Well they would be entitled to their fair share of the North Sea oil, and with a population of only 5 million the money would go very far. They could use this money to increase education while developing social projects and their infrastructure to be a more independent nation without relying on the English economy for their economic prosperity. They already have free university level education for their students, and so in 20 - 30 years they could have a highly skilled workforce which can generate a large GDP per capita and use taxes to pay for all the services you'd expect in a fair society.

alfredmizen · Nov 1, 2015

GingerBeerMan said:
Any reason for that? Or just you don't like change?

Well they would be entitled to their fair share of the North Sea oil, and with a population of only 5 million the money would go very far. They could use this money to increase education while developing social projects and their infrastructure to be a more independent nation without relying on the English economy for their economic prosperity. They already have free university level education for their students, and so in 20 - 30 years they could have a highly skilled workforce which can generate a large GDP per capita and use taxes to pay for all the services you'd expect in a fair society.

Have you actually seen the price of Brent Crude at the moment ? It's at about $49 a barrel, the SNP projections which were going to pay for all your wonderful projects and infrastructure were for above $ 100 a barrel, it's typical pie in the sky fairy stories.

melias shoes · Nov 1, 2015

alfredmizen said:
Have you actually seen the price of Brent Crude at the moment ? It's at about $49 a barrel, the SNP projections which were going to pay for all your wonderful projects and infrastructure were for above $ 100 a barrel, it's typical pie in the sky fairy stories.

Exactly.

JC Footy Genius · Nov 1, 2015

GingerBeerMan said:
Any reason for that? Or just you don't like change?

Shared history , shared values and economic reasons. Change can be good if it leads to a better outcome. The SNP want to break away from a tried and tested union with Scotlands biggest trading partner (England) but want to stay in the European Union. Their little scotlander nationalism has a strong whiff of anti English sentiment behind it. If the SNP really wants total autonomy making it's own decisions they would be leaving the UK and the EU. An Independent Scotland would be an irrelevance both economically and politically. We are better off together.

Stat Brother · Nov 1, 2015

GingerBeerMan said:
Well they would be entitled to their fair share of the North Sea oil, and with a population of only 5 million the money would go very far. They could use this money to increase education while developing social projects and their infrastructure to be a more independent nation without relying on the English economy for their economic prosperity. They already have free university level education for their students, and so in 20 - 30 years they could have a highly skilled workforce which can generate a large GDP per capita and use taxes to pay for all the services you'd expect in a fair society.

Not forgetting all the Buckie they could buy.

Hampster Gull · Nov 1, 2015

How credible is it that the Scottish Labour party can have one policy of defence and the Labour party another, even if its leader says he will never lose. The party is falling appart. Amateurs

jakarta · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Their little scotlander nationalism has a strong whiff of anti English sentiment behind it.

Having worked up there since 1991 and seen how things have changed since the SNP have become a political force, very, very much this.

Happy to see the back of them myself...

beorhthelm · Nov 1, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
...Their little scotlander nationalism has a strong whiff of anti English sentiment behind it. If the SNP really wants total autonomy making it's own decisions they would be leaving the UK and the EU.

whiff? its their outright driving purpose i'd say. the position on EU shows this, its a complete contradiction to want self determination at the same time as signing away much sovereignty. but to the SNP rule from Brussels is preferable to rule from Westminister.

JC Footy Genius · Nov 1, 2015

jakarta said:
Having worked up there since 1991 and seen how things have changed since the SNP have become a political force, very, very much this.

Happy to see the back of them myself...

beorhthelm said:
whiff? its their outright driving purpose i'd say. the position on EU shows this, its a complete contradiction to want self determination at the same time as signing away much sovereignty. but to the SNP rule from Brussels is preferable to rule from Westminister.

Perhaps Stench would have been a more accurate word to use !

Notters · Nov 1, 2015

Pavilionaire said:
If you purport to be a unified national political party then get a unified national policy on Trident. Labour is a f**king shambles.

As someone who doesn't vote red or blue, this seems a very in thing for tories to say.

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