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Cardiff v Bristol City tonight: Police have turned it into a bubble match



El Presidente

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You may not give a monkey's about this, but it's further indication (IMO) of heavy handed treatment by the police.

Hull v Huddersfield, Burnley v Blackburn, Chester v Wrexham, Sunderland v Newcastle and other fans have been subject to these restrictions in the past.

You may shrug and say that it's a minor inconvenience, but if we get promoted and it applies to us at Palace and vice versa, then how would you feel?

This is from the Football Supporters Federation

Travelling fans are not able to buy a ticket for the match, rather a voucher that they have a 30 minute slot to exchange for a ticket in a service station the night of the match.

This effectively forces people to travel to the game by car unless they are prepared to take a train to Cardiff, a taxi to the service station and then on to the ground. Similar arrangements will be in place for the return fixture next March.

A statement on Bristol City FC's website makes it abundantly clear that the police are insisting on the arrangements due to disorder in Cardiff when the two clubs met in 2013 which saw 32 convictions for public order offences (there are varying degrees of public order offences encompassing anything from swearing through to extreme violence) with the main protagonists receiving suspended prison sentences and lengthy banning orders which are still in place today.

The remainder of the banning orders handed down were for three years and if any supporters successfully applied for an early termination, then they are now free to attend football matches.

Home Office figures show that, in the 2013-2014 season Bristol City had just 12 fans arrested at away games, that’s less than one per game. Surely, that’s indicative of travelling fans who pose little threat?
 


Bozza

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Cardiff v Bristol City have been bubble matches for some time as best I can recall.

I get the impression that Palace v Albion got very close to the same but common sense prevailed in the end. It seems unlikely to happen now unless some seriously bad stuff happens and that the two sides had a few seasons to get familiar again, that seems unlikely.
 


Sheebo

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Didn't even know Hull v Hudds was a derby tbh
 




Sheebo

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It's not.

No history between the two sets of fans.

Inevitable question then - why was it made a bubble? There must have been a serious incident at a previous game surely?
 




lawros left foot

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If it was any other section of the community, O.B. would never be able to get away with this sort of thing. Some hotshot human rights lawyer should take up a test case of a normal everyday fan who's travelling in a legal manner, to go to a legal passtime, and is being treated worse than a convicted criminal
 


El Presidente

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If it was any other section of the community, O.B. would never be able to get away with this sort of thing. Some hotshot human rights lawyer should take up a test case of a normal everyday fan who's travelling in a legal manner, to go to a legal passtime, and is being treated worse than a convicted criminal

The legal position is that you have no 'right' to attend a sporting event, so the police can do what they want.

It's further evidence of football fans still being treated as second class citizens.

Want to bring your pint to your seat at the Amex at the RWC match? Of course sir.

Want to do the same for Brighton v Preston? No, you can't be trusted because you're untrustworthy scum, and that comes from all shades of our political leaders.
 


TheJasperCo

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This stupid decision is just plain stupid. The majority of trouble takes place in the town centres before and after the game. This just inconveniences the innocent fans, the families and the old folks who have to jump through hoops just to get a ticket to a game of football. To stop crowd trouble at games, you have to ramp up security at the ground. Bag searches are bad enough, but understandable. FBOs help as well to keep people with history away from the matches, but what does this latest proposal achieve? Square root of sweet-diddly naff all.
 




El Presidente

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Inevitable question then - why was it made a bubble? There must have been a serious incident at a previous game surely?

There was a bit of trouble in 2008 that the police used as justification, as well as it being a 5:30 kickoff on a Saturday. The police claimed there would be excessive alcohol consumption, which surely isn't the case for the match tonight.

If the police objected to that extent for Huddersfield v Hull why not insist on a 12:45 kickoff?

Neither side dislike each other, they both hate Leeds.
 




Bozza

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There was a bit of trouble in 2008 that the police used as justification, as well as it being a 5:30 kickoff on a Saturday. The police claimed there would be excessive alcohol consumption, which surely isn't the case for the match tonight.

That's a bit naive. If it were possible there would be a big group on the lash all afternoon either before jumping on a train or after or both. The same was the case when we played Palace midweek.
 




BRIGHT ON Q

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Spoke to some Bristol City fans last week and they said they were going to have to pick their tickets up from the service station. Apparently the police relaxed it for a couple of seasons but then there was trouble again so it is back.
 


El Presidente

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That's a bit naive. If it were possible there would be a big group on the lash all afternoon either before jumping on a train or after or both. The same was the case when we played Palace midweek.

You're probably right.

I'm not an authority on booze related issues as you know.

But it's still penalising the innocent due to the actions of the pisshead plums.
 


Seasidesage

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Same old story. When you give the Police an inch they take a mile. Ridiculous over reaction and expect this to become more and more prevalent as the Police have 'manpower issues.'

Of course if this was rugby you'd be able to get as pissed as you like, throw up and act like a **** and it will be considered high jinks. Could that possibly be a class issue? Hmm I wonder! Perhaps the Police should turn West Street into a bubble on a Saturday night? Considerably more violence there, but too many vested interests both in making money from Alcohol and preventing 'public disorder' that ensure that all of the focus remains on football fans, surely the lowest of the low...
 




Bozza

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You're probably right.

I'm not an authority on booze related issues as you know.

But it's still penalising the innocent due to the actions of the pisshead plums.

Completely agree with what you're saying. It's also worth stating that not all those on the lash ahead of a big game have any interest in trouble and won't be involved in any. They're simply getting on it with some mates. Again it's the minority.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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I can fully understand if there is trouble between the two sides, it's not a terrible idea

I think the real question is how is revell a championship player
 


Seasidesage

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That's a bit naive. If it were possible there would be a big group on the lash all afternoon either before jumping on a train or after or both. The same was the case when we played Palace midweek.

Sounds like a bank holiday, perhaps you should have to pick tickets up for those? Surely it's the Police's job to enforce public order? They are after all picking up considerable amounts of money to do so. The Police have CCTV, undercover operations, plain clothes police, riot police, hundreds of uniformed officers. extensive stop and search powers, the ability to change KO times and even helicopters. How many powers do they need for this threat to national security?
 


El Presidente

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Completely agree with what you're saying. It's also worth stating that not all those on the lash ahead of a big game have any interest in trouble and won't be involved in any. They're simply getting on it with some mates. Again it's the minority.

One of the mates I go to matches with said that by November watching the Albion required a minimum of 4-5 pints prior to the match to help cope with the O'Grady and Colunga goalfest that followed.
 




Sheebo

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On a footy note Benno seems a bit more like his old self & Kudjia looks fantastic again...
 





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