This is awful

Simster · Oct 13, 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34513096

but everyone knows what Saudi is like. Why on earth would you drink wine in such a vile country knowing the potential punishment?

dazzer6666 · Oct 13, 2015

No real sympathy I'm afraid (although I don't agree with the regime). If you are in their country you follow their rules. No way he wouldn't have known the risks.

daveinprague · Oct 13, 2015

Its very easy to drink in Saudi. Theres expat parties almost every Thursday. Ive even been to an open air disco with every booze known to man at B.A.C back in the 70s, There was also cartoon porn (snow white) on a wall. Its pretty unusual to be picked up for it unless your a producer. If this guy is transporting wine, then he is probably a producer.

Papa Lazarou · Oct 13, 2015

It also warns of Saudi laws against women driving, adultery, homosexuality and drug smuggling - with the last punishable by death.

Sigh....

Hillian1 · Oct 13, 2015

Well he'd lived there for 25 years, so you've got to assume he knows the law regarding booze.

Bold Seagull · Oct 13, 2015

Or this Indian servant in a Saudi household who had her arm chopped off as a punishment...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34483504

Paul Reids Sock · Oct 13, 2015

dazzer6666 said:
No real sympathy I'm afraid (although I don't agree with the regime). If you are in their country you follow their rules. No way he wouldn't have known the risks.

Completely agree. He may or may not have been a producer and may or may not have done it many times yet he knew the law

I have no idea why this is in the news. If someone came to England and broke a law that there wasn't in their country then people would be up in arms for people to accept our laws. We can't have it both ways

spring hall convert · Oct 13, 2015

I wouldn't go expecting any support from the Government. Cameron thinks that Saudi Arabia are worth a place on the UN Human Rights Council.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/06/david-cameron-insists-uk-ties-saudi-arabia

blue'n'white · Oct 13, 2015

They're as backward as all the other strict islamic states but they're richer than a lot and we sell them lots of arms so eff all will get done by our brave government.
And as someone has said earlier the guy has been living there for 25 years and knows what their laws are - it's just a shame that we don't apply the same strict letter of the law to wrongdoers from abroad in the UK

Bold Seagull · Oct 13, 2015

Paul Reids Sock said:
Completely agree. He may or may not have been a producer and may or may not have done it many times yet he knew the law

I have no idea why this is in the news. If someone came to England and broke a law that there wasn't in their country then people would be up in arms for people to accept our laws. We can't have it both ways

It's the law, but it doesn't mean we have to agree with the brutality of the punishment does it? Crikey, do we just watch them crucify teenagers, chop peoples hands off, lash a 70 year old and just stand back and say 'oh well, they knew the law...'.

Unbelievable we support these regime's with such poor human rights records, and even support them on the UN Human Rights Council!

gregbrighton · Oct 13, 2015

No sympathy from me either. At least he didn't get his hands chopped off.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 13, 2015

Simster said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34513096

but everyone knows what Saudi is like. Why on earth would you drink wine in such a vile country knowing the potential punishment?

It begs the question, why would you choose to live in such a vile country at his age?

El Presidente · Oct 13, 2015

Sadly our government (and the past few as well, this is not a party political issue) will take no notice of such events, and will aim to keep secret the £300 million bribes given to Saudi officials in order to secure defence contracts.

http://on.ft.com/1gSEs52

If that's the way they want to play it we can't do much to stop them. The stench of hyprocrisy from politicians when talking about FIFA being embedded in corruption is pretty whiffy though.

La` Cucaracha¤ · Oct 13, 2015

Now this Saudi Bootlegger Scottish Gordon Mallock took it to the extreme till his got caught :lolol:

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Billy the Fish · Oct 13, 2015

I find it very odd the amount of people who claim to have no sympathy when someone is about to receive a ridiculously over the top punishment.

Strangely, it's quite often the same people who preach about helping the needy and not cutting benefits on the domestic politics threads who blindly take a "don't do the crime..." type stance :shrug:

Yes the bloke is clearly an idiot, but f**k me I feel sorry for the poor bugger having to do over a year inside and now face the potential to be tortured! (and it is torture)

I doubt it'll end up happening though, it's against their own rules to do it so the lashes will be dropped.

Not Andy Naylor · Oct 13, 2015

Luckily, we've got a principled leader who is prepared to stand up for basic human decency.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/watch-...o-explain-his-support-of-saudi-arabia/210221/

Easy 10 · Oct 13, 2015

Utterly horrific, barbaric, backward regime still living in the 5th century. Most educated human beings evolve and develop a natural sense of decency and compassion for their fellow man, for their citizens. No nation can preach to be perfect, but the sheer scale of the brutality there, with public floggings, maimings and executions for the most minor offences truly stands out as something from another age. Repulsive.

Biscuit · Oct 13, 2015

The ''No sympathy" brigade are out in full force I see.

If you can see an old man lashed 360 times for making wine, or shrug your shoulders as ''domestic help'' (read: modern day slave) gets an armed chopped off and have 'no sympathy' then you're a heartless *******.

Yes it's the law, but that doesn't make it right.

gregbrighton · Oct 13, 2015

What's his age got to do with it? He broke the law there and has paid the price.

A bishop in this country just got a derisory prison term sentence for child sexual abuse offences presumably because of his old age...

Not Andy Naylor · Oct 13, 2015

Easy 10 said:
Utterly horrific, barbaric, backward regime still living in the 5th century. Most educated human beings evolve and develop a natural sense of decency and compassion for their fellow man, for their citizens. No nation can preach to be perfect, but the sheer scale of the brutality there, with public floggings, maimings and executions for the most minor offences truly stands out as something from another age. Repulsive.

It makes you wonder why successive UK governments have counted the oil-rich *******s as allies.

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