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MP's fraudulent expense claims: Debt written off.



Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
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Offences from all parties. Not on IMO.

The Commons expenses watchdog has named 26 current and former MPs who had debts of up to £500 written off after failing to pay them.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority's list includes ministers Tobias Ellwood and Edward Timpson.
The total amount written off over the 12-month period was £2,105.43.
Meanwhile Ipsa said the overall bill for MPs' expenses and costs rose to almost £106m in 2014-15.
This was an increase of £1.7m on the previous financial year.
It includes money claimed for staffing and office costs, travel and accommodation - but not MPs' salaries.
Not cost-effective
The amounts written off ranged from £5 to £229. The reasons they were not paid by Ipsa included because they were outside the allowances scheme or that they were duplicate claims.
Much of the spending was on official credit cards that are automatically paid off by Ipsa before checks on whether they are allowable.
Ipsa said the amounts had been written off because it was not cost-effective to continue to pursue them.
The office of Tobias Ellwood, Conservative MP for Bournemouth East and Foreign Office Minister, said they were investigating the allegations he wrongly claimed £26.50 for parking, train fares, food and drink.
The office of Chris Skidmore, Conservative MP for Kingswood, said Ipsa's allegations he wrongly claimed £125 for a London hotel were an "error on the travel offices part".
Edward Timpson, Minister for Children and Families and Conservative MP for Crewe and Nantwich, is yet to comment on allegations he wrongly claimed £127.70 for travel expenses.
Travel costs
Ipsa is also publishing information on whom MPs employ, including any family members, and MPs' property and office landlords.
Of the total amount spent by MPs during 2014-15, £82.7m went on staffing - which was up £2.2m compared with the previous year. Travel and subsistence costs rose slightly, too - from almost £4.8m to £4.9m.
Office costs stood at £10.7m, which was lower than the £11.2m spent in 2013-14. Meanwhile, spending on accommodation fell from almost £7m to £6.7m.
Ipsa chief executive Marical Boo said: "Our regular publications include every single penny claimed by MPs, so that taxpayers and voters can see for themselves how their money is spent and gain assurance that Ipsa is scrutinising MPs' expenditure on their behalf."
The regulatory body was set up to restore public confidence following the MPs' pay and expenses scandal in 2009, which led to the jailing of a number of MPs.
The full list of written-off debts
Barry Gardiner (Labour, Brent North) - £77.30
Caroline Dinenage (Conservative, Gosport) - £13.50
Charles Hendry (Conservative, Wealden - until May 2015) - £87.60
Chris Skidmore (Conservative, Kingswood) - £125.00
Clive Efford (Labour, Eltham) - £79.20
Daniel Poulter (Conservative, Central Suffolk and North Ipswich) - £229.62
David Mowat (Conservative, Warrington South) - £35.00
Edward Timpson (Conservative, Crewe and Nantwich) - £127.70
Frank Dobson (Labour, Holborn and St Pancras - until May 2015) - £7.50
Frank Roy (Labour, Motherwell and Wishaw - until May 2015) - £63.37
Guy Opperman (Conservative, Hexham) - £161.09
Ian Mearns (Labour, Gateshead) - £10.00
Joe Benton (Labour, Bootle - until May 2015) - £309.15
Julie Hilling (Labour, Bolton West - until May 2015) - £75.30
Khalid Mahmood (Labour, Birmingham Perry Barr) - £48.00
Laurence Robertson (Conservative, Tewkesbury) - £27.00
Michael Meacher (Labour, Oldham West and Royton) - £27.00
Paul Farrelly (Labour, Newcastle-under-Lyme) - £28.00
Peter Bone (Conservative, Wellingborough) - £40.17
Sian James (Labour, Swansea East - until May 2015) - £193.00
Stephen Barclay (Conservative, North East Cambridgeshire) - £62.75
Stephen McCabe (Labour, Birmingham Selly Oak) - £27.00
Stephen Williams (Liberal Democrat, Bristol West - until May 2015) - £209.18
Stewart Jackson (Conservative, Peterborough) - £7.50
Tim Yeo (Conservative, South Suffolk - until May 2015) £10.00
Tobias Ellwood (Conservative, Bournemouth East) - £26.50
 




DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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This doesn't exactly look like "vast amounts of money for cleaning out my moat" territory, or second homes stuff.
It's also possible that, if an individual MP was disputing something, that IPSA were wrong and the MP was right.
It would be difficult to comment more without looking at each individual case.
 


Cian

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Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
It'd be important to see what percentage of the total these are - £229 seems big but if its 1% of their total expenses, its barely worth chasing.
 




Offences from all parties. Not on IMO.

The Commons expenses watchdog has named 26 current and former MPs who had debts of up to £500 written off after failing to pay them.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority's list includes ministers Tobias Ellwood and Edward Timpson.
The total amount written off over the 12-month period was £2,105.43.
Meanwhile Ipsa said the overall bill for MPs' expenses and costs rose to almost £106m in 2014-15.
This was an increase of £1.7m on the previous financial year.
It includes money claimed for staffing and office costs, travel and accommodation - but not MPs' salaries.
Not cost-effective
The amounts written off ranged from £5 to £229. The reasons they were not paid by Ipsa included because they were outside the allowances scheme or that they were duplicate claims.
Much of the spending was on official credit cards that are automatically paid off by Ipsa before checks on whether they are allowable.
Ipsa said the amounts had been written off because it was not cost-effective to continue to pursue them.
The office of Tobias Ellwood, Conservative MP for Bournemouth East and Foreign Office Minister, said they were investigating the allegations he wrongly claimed £26.50 for parking, train fares, food and drink.
The office of Chris Skidmore, Conservative MP for Kingswood, said Ipsa's allegations he wrongly claimed £125 for a London hotel were an "error on the travel offices part".
Edward Timpson, Minister for Children and Families and Conservative MP for Crewe and Nantwich, is yet to comment on allegations he wrongly claimed £127.70 for travel expenses.
Travel costs
Ipsa is also publishing information on whom MPs employ, including any family members, and MPs' property and office landlords.
Of the total amount spent by MPs during 2014-15, £82.7m went on staffing - which was up £2.2m compared with the previous year. Travel and subsistence costs rose slightly, too - from almost £4.8m to £4.9m.
Office costs stood at £10.7m, which was lower than the £11.2m spent in 2013-14. Meanwhile, spending on accommodation fell from almost £7m to £6.7m.
Ipsa chief executive Marical Boo said: "Our regular publications include every single penny claimed by MPs, so that taxpayers and voters can see for themselves how their money is spent and gain assurance that Ipsa is scrutinising MPs' expenditure on their behalf."
The regulatory body was set up to restore public confidence following the MPs' pay and expenses scandal in 2009, which led to the jailing of a number of MPs.
The full list of written-off debts
Barry Gardiner (Labour, Brent North) - £77.30
Caroline Dinenage (Conservative, Gosport) - £13.50
Charles Hendry (Conservative, Wealden - until May 2015) - £87.60
Chris Skidmore (Conservative, Kingswood) - £125.00
Clive Efford (Labour, Eltham) - £79.20
Daniel Poulter (Conservative, Central Suffolk and North Ipswich) - £229.62
David Mowat (Conservative, Warrington South) - £35.00
Edward Timpson (Conservative, Crewe and Nantwich) - £127.70
Frank Dobson (Labour, Holborn and St Pancras - until May 2015) - £7.50
Frank Roy (Labour, Motherwell and Wishaw - until May 2015) - £63.37
Guy Opperman (Conservative, Hexham) - £161.09
Ian Mearns (Labour, Gateshead) - £10.00
Joe Benton (Labour, Bootle - until May 2015) - £309.15
Julie Hilling (Labour, Bolton West - until May 2015) - £75.30
Khalid Mahmood (Labour, Birmingham Perry Barr) - £48.00
Laurence Robertson (Conservative, Tewkesbury) - £27.00
Michael Meacher (Labour, Oldham West and Royton) - £27.00
Paul Farrelly (Labour, Newcastle-under-Lyme) - £28.00
Peter Bone (Conservative, Wellingborough) - £40.17
Sian James (Labour, Swansea East - until May 2015) - £193.00
Stephen Barclay (Conservative, North East Cambridgeshire) - £62.75
Stephen McCabe (Labour, Birmingham Selly Oak) - £27.00
Stephen Williams (Liberal Democrat, Bristol West - until May 2015) - £209.18
Stewart Jackson (Conservative, Peterborough) - £7.50
Tim Yeo (Conservative, South Suffolk - until May 2015) £10.00
Tobias Ellwood (Conservative, Bournemouth East) - £26.50

Apart from the apparent mis-management of public money, there's another DEPLORABLE aspect of modern life that is revealed in this story.

Any list of names that is set out in alphabetical order should be based on the alphabetical order of SURNAMES, not the alphabetical order of forenames. No wonder the country is going down the pan, if declining standards are being endorsed by Parliament.

I blame Michael Gove.
 
















Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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The article says "up to £229" then has an amount over £300 in it - can the journalist not count?

Maybe. Or it could be bad subbing, the journalist may have written "The amounts written off for current MPs ranged from £5 to £229" and the "current MPs" was taken out. We don't know without seeing the original copy but subs do sometimes change the meaning in their effort to tidy things up
 




Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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This morning I was listening to Howard Fineman from The Huffington Post, discussing the (mainly Republican) candidates for the next presidential election.

He dropped in an interesting 'throw away' line, words to the effect of:-

'Everybody hates everything to do with government.
The candidates that are currently doing well are the ones pitching themselves as being so stupid they couldn't possibly govern, therefore aren't tainted by government'.


He might have a point.
 
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Wrong-Direction

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Rich ********s getting away with murder? Shock horror, not
 




edna krabappel

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Jul 7, 2003
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Hands up on here who's had money that they owed to the Government written off?

I find myself wondering whether, if it was discovered that I owed, say...HMRC...an unpaid tax bill of £229.62, the powers that be would be so quick to write it off?
 


Ernest

Stupid IDIOT
Nov 8, 2003
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LOONEY BIN
Hands up on here who's had money that they owed to the Government written off?

I find myself wondering whether, if it was discovered that I owed, say...HMRC...an unpaid tax bill of £229.62, the powers that be would be so quick to write it off?

Why don't we all try it ? The COPS can't NICK us all , probably give me a SLAP like they normally do though
 




Raleigh Chopper

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Plymouth
The refusal to pay back such piddling amounts of money and put this to bed as a mistake shows how contemptible these people are and people will still think that all MP's still have their noses in the trough.
 






Cian

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Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
So you wouldn't mind if I stole 1% of your earnings from you?

If you can rationally explain how that's a workable comparison, go ahead. (hint: its not, its whataboutery)

If these are even 1% of their expenses to begin with I'd be astounded also. Even the one over £300 is probably a fraction of 1% of their expenses for a year, unless their constituency *is* Westminster. However, it was Bootle so there'd be substantial travel expenses.

When you reach a certain level it becomes actually worthless to pursue small amounts. Compare to the story of the Midland Bank realising it cost them huge amounts in overtime having tellers go over every transaction to find a few missing pence per day in the cash desks; multitudes more than they were losing. They stopped.

Duck houses
moat cleaning
underpants
£39 breakfasts..

WTF are these being paid for, on an MP card to start with??

Some people use their corporate card for everything and repay what's their own spending - if, for example, the corporate card has a fantastic Avios rate that they can't get on their personal card. Makes for risky situations like Jacqui Smith's PPV bill, though; as well as missing an item that was your own and so on.
 


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