Producing young players.

BensGrandad · Aug 23, 2015

Alan Gowling the ex footballer came up with some very sound views on producing young . We should go back to th old ways of players getting in their form team then school then district then county then England at schoolboy level. Rather than as now clubs taking young boys of 5 or 6 to clubs the rest then get ignored. I am sure everybody knows of somebody who has a son of 5 who is with a pro club. I know of one who isnt even school age yet and is training with Fulham, absolutely ridiculous. Go back to the old ways and give the lads some ambition.

GT49er · Aug 23, 2015

BensGrandad said:
Alan Gowling the ex footballer came up with some very sound views on producing young . We should go back to th old ways of players getting in their form team then school then district then county then England at schoolboy level. Rather than as now clubs taking young boys of 5 or 6 to clubs the rest then get ignored. I am sure everybody knows of somebody who has a son of 5 who is with a pro club. I know of one who isnt even school age yet and is training with Fulham, absolutely ridiculous. Go back to the old ways and give the lads some ambition.

Agree in principle, but
1). how many schools have now sold off their playing fields?
2). How many schools are still insisting on that stupid idea that only non-competitive sports are acceptable?
3). How many schools will not allow 'dangerous' sports like football and cricket for Elfin Safety reasons, or for fear of being sued?

BensGrandad · Aug 23, 2015

Was it not ILEA that first said some years ago that competitive sport should be abolished as it was not fair to those who were not very good and only helped the more talented.

KZNSeagull · Aug 23, 2015

What incentive is there for the school system to produce sporting talent? The players have to be picked up at some point by a club to progress anyway. When I was at school, I always got the impression that representative school sports teams were picked mainly from the large towns (Brighton) and anyone with any talent outside of there would only get a look in if they had a particularly pushy sports teacher.

BigGully · Aug 23, 2015

BensGrandad said:
Alan Gowling the ex footballer came up with some very sound views on producing young . We should go back to th old ways of players getting in their form team then school then district then county then England at schoolboy level. Rather than as now clubs taking young boys of 5 or 6 to clubs the rest then get ignored. I am sure everybody knows of somebody who has a son of 5 who is with a pro club. I know of one who isnt even school age yet and is training with Fulham, absolutely ridiculous. Go back to the old ways and give the lads some ambition.

The first concern is the rinsing of any character and the associated imagination, the flip side is that most mavericks fail before ever getting near an adoring public.

For me there must be a time when a young skilful creative player (goalscorers too) needs to have successfully complete skilful play on a regular basis to become expert at it, sometimes it might help playing against inferior players offering confidence and a repetition of a successful skill.

Too often youngsters as young as 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, are quickly recruited by Academys and thrown in to compete with bigger, stronger and more mature players that then make it impossible for them to complete skilful moves, they will then be asked to stop trying those skills and they become the technical competent player that can never deliver success on the international stage.

GT49er · Aug 23, 2015

BensGrandad said:
Was it not ILEA that first said some years ago that competitive sport should be abolished as it was not fair to those who were not very good and only helped the more talented.

I don't know exactly who was responsible for the policy. It's still just sh*t though.

bhawoddy · Aug 23, 2015

I never got picked for apro club playing in my school team. Just goes to show it doesn't work.

Dolph Ins · Aug 23, 2015

Agree in principal but the standard of coaching in some of these places is, shall we say, hit and miss. So at least at the academy they will get top coaching.

BensGrandad · Aug 23, 2015

bhawoddy said:
I never got picked for apro club playing in my school team. Just goes to show it doesn't work.

The exact opposite had you gone on from your school team to play for your district and then county you probably would have.

midnight_rendezvous · Aug 23, 2015

GT49er said:
Agree in principle, but
1). how many schools have now sold off their playing fields?
2). How many schools are still insisting on that stupid idea that only non-competitive sports are acceptable?
3). How many schools will not allow 'dangerous' sports like football and cricket for Elfin Safety reasons, or for fear of being sued?

Agree with the first point, not so much the second as it is an overly simplified view. You want them to be competitive and want to win (which believe me they do) but at the same time you can't berate them for losing otherwise they won't want to play again. If they lose they'll feel pretty bad about it and they don't have the emotional maturity to deal with loss like an adult, so yeah you have to cut them a little slack and promote the "it's about taking part" line at times to keep their moral up. Third point is utter rubbish as parents have to sign a waiver before children can play after school sports which outlines the risk of playing said sport and basically by signing it they can't take legal action if a child gets hurt whilst playing.

Source: I'm a teacher :thumbsup:

Postman Pat · Aug 23, 2015

School football in lessons consisted of a game where half the team could play and the other half were not interested, no structure, no coaching, no tactics.

Would rather have my child coached by someone qualified and whose job it is to develop talent rather than someone who will teach on 5/6 different sports a year.

Rogero · Aug 23, 2015

I saw a few lads playing football at Buckingham Park in Shoreham last week. The elder lad ,who was aged 6 had tremendous skills. I asked his mother if he played for anyone and the reply was with the Brighton Elite Albion team based at Lancing. He was signed by the Albion at the age of four. His little brother,who was a tiny lad joined in. He was amazing and caused a bit of stir with a few parents. He was throwing himself into tackles,shielding the ball and trying to head the ball. I asked the mother his age. I kid you not,he was under three. One for the future.

GT49er · Aug 23, 2015

midnight_rendezvous said:
Third point is utter rubbish as parents have to sign a waiver before children can play after school sports which outlines the risk of playing said sport and basically by signing it they can't take legal action if a child gets hurt whilst playing.

Source: I'm a teacher:

Point of order, Mr. Teacher, sir. It was a question, not a point. That was why it ended with one of these - ?
I'm glad that some provision is now taken to allow children to play 'dangerous' sports without the school risking legal action, but certainly some schools have in the past taken the view that they can't risk it (especially with cricket). And why does it have to be after school sports - what's wrong with sports being part of the curriculum as it used to be?

GT49er · Aug 23, 2015

midnight_rendezvous said:
Agree with the first point, not so much the second as it is an overly simplified view.

The question was, how many schools are still insisting on that stupid idea that only non-competitive sports are acceptable?
Certainly not over-simplified; it happened. Schools did ban competitive sports for fear of damaging the self-esteem of the losers. If you, as a teacher, can assure us that the idea has been kicked into touch, that will be most welcome.

studio150 · Aug 23, 2015

It wont happen given the money spent on academies. There is then the question of the quality of the teacher who is running the school team which will be lower quality in most instances.Depending on the school you may also find that stronger boys are chosen over light skillful players as that gets results whereas the academies will plave the emphasis on technical ability. I see this as nothing more than ex pro saying it was better in my day.

BensGrandad · Aug 23, 2015

In the 50s to 80s there were not the number of qualified specialist coaches so it was left to the maths teacher be it male or female to take football but now there are so many qualified coaches that they are almost 2 a penny Ben went to Godalming College after leaving school to do PE and is now a qualified coach in about 4 sports including football but works as a tiler as it pays better.

supaseagull · Aug 23, 2015

Schools are no longer the place for children to develop as footballers. That stopped years ago. Instead, the rise of grassroots football run by clubs across the country is the place all pro clubs go now to scout.

The issue with schools that PE, especially in Primary schools is run by unspecialised teachers, often with no experience of coaching and the basic understanding of warm up excercises. In addition, a bare minimum of teachers have the most basic of football coaching qualifications.

As far as football is concerned, grassroots football is the primary area in where children learn and develop their footballing ability and it's from that that most kids are then picked up by the Albion and other pro clubs nowadays not schools.

It is a largely made up myth that schools aren't permitted to allow pupils to take part in competitive sport. All primary schools have the option to enter teams into various football, rugby & cricket leagues throughout the year and in addition, pretty much all enter athletics competitions during the summer

BensGrandad · Aug 23, 2015

The only issue with grass roots football clubs is the ego of some managers, not all obviously, but some who think they are the next Brian Clough or Sir Alex. and want the kids to play strict tacticsand formtions before they can even kick a bll properly.

Stat Brother · Aug 23, 2015

It's hard to agree with a statement that begins:-

'We should go back to the old ways'

At what point in the good old days was the production of young players noticeably better?

drew · Aug 23, 2015

Exactly where is the proof that the old system worked?

As others have said, at academies, there are much better coaches. In addition, Michael Johnson, famed 400m runner, was on the radio yesterday saying how his organisation is involved with various clubs in the athletic conditioning of players. Not necessarily training them into the ground but managing their physical development as appropriate. Academies will also of guidance on behaviour on and off the field, although not always successful!!.

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