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British Rail-Who wants it back

Do people really want A Nationalised British Rail again?

  • yes nationalise

    Votes: 136 73.9%

  • no please dont

    Votes: 43 23.4%

  • im too young for this crap,you old farts are

    Votes: 5 2.7%
  • Total voters
    184


pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Jeremy Corbyn has already committed himself to returning the railways to public ownership.

Labour leadership contender Andy Burnham has promised to renationalise Britain's railways "line by line" if he becomes prime minister

A yougov poll has 70% in favour of re nationalisation

This Tory boy is not totally against the idea of renationalising the railways, im willing to listen to all options.

but someone please convince me though that the end result will be affordable rail fares for all, a rail network to rival Germany and Switzerland in terms of efficiency and punctuality(or is this reaching too far) and something to be proud of as opposed to the utterly shit service both customer wise and passenger wise I remember that the staff thought was acceptable
 




Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Yes.

Would rather the ticket cash went into improving the service rather than shareholder bank accounts.
 


heathgate

heathgate

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Apr 13, 2015
3,469
Rail track (network rail) was re-nationalised last year....it's a basket case already......
 


Green Cross Code Man

Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
19,719
Eastbourne
Yes. The service has not improved through privatisation. We need to encourage more people onto rail with more competitive prices and a more reliable service.
 


lawros left foot

lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
Jun 11, 2011
13,726
Worthing
Yeah, and follow it up with the water companies, power companies, and the bits of the NHS that have been effectively privatised
 




pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Green Cross Code Man said:
Yes. The service has not improved through privatisation. We need to encourage more people onto rail with more competitive prices and a more reliable service.
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i agree with your last sentiment.......would nationalisation though make ticket prices lower and would the service become more reliable?......just asking.
 


Simster

Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,206
Surrey
It should never have been privatised - least of all in the rushed, shambolic way that it was. The only industries that should ever be privatised are those where the market can sustain true competition, because otherwise it simply means the consumers don't benefit. This covers most industries, but it doesn't cover the rail network and utility services. It is utterly shameful that past governments have seen fit to privatise those.
 


KingstonSeagull

KingstonSeagull

New member
May 1, 2013
2,185
Shoreditch
“Our freedom of choice in a competitive society rests on the fact that, if one person refuses to satisfy our wishes, we can turn to another. But if we face a monopolist we are at his absolute mercy. And an authority directing the whole economic system of the country would be the most powerful monopolist conceivable…it would have complete power to decide what we are to be given and on what terms. It would not only decide what commodities and services were to be available and in what quantities; it would be able to direct their distributions between persons to any degree it liked.”
― Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
 




glasfryn

glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
banks and utilities as well
yes please
 


heathgate

heathgate

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Apr 13, 2015
3,469
KingstonSeagull said:
“Our freedom of choice in a competitive society rests on the fact that, if one person refuses to satisfy our wishes, we can turn to another. But if we face a monopolist we are at his absolute mercy. And an authority directing the whole economic system of the country would be the most powerful monopolist conceivable…it would have complete power to decide what we are to be given and on what terms. It would not only decide what commodities and services were to be available and in what quantities; it would be able to direct their distributions between persons to any degree it liked.”
― Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
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Not extracted from the Guardian or Observer I assume.
 






Beach Hut

Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
71,970
Living In a Box
No thanks
 




Guinness Boy

Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
34,194
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Never made sense to privatise it in the first place. As for Network Rail it was a basket case when it was private. One entity controlling stock, services and engineering with the revenue going back to the railways directly makes sense.

The Japanese and Swiss manage it better than us with private companies but, in reality, the Swiss Federal Rail is owned by the cantons it serves while, in Japan, they were able to rebuild the rail system after the war and, crucially, private companies were incentivised to build their own lines.

We don't have that here and we therefore need a single holistic organisation run by railwaymen rather than corporate graduates who know how to run a stand up meeting but go missing when it all goes tits up.
 




glasfryn

glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
KingstonSeagull said:
“Our freedom of choice in a competitive society rests on the fact that, if one person refuses to satisfy our wishes, we can turn to another. But if we face a monopolist we are at his absolute mercy. And an authority directing the whole economic system of the country would be the most powerful monopolist conceivable…it would have complete power to decide what we are to be given and on what terms. It would not only decide what commodities and services were to be available and in what quantities; it would be able to direct their distributions between persons to any degree it liked.”
― Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
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maybe you should send a copy of that to BT and British Gas
 






KingstonSeagull

KingstonSeagull

New member
May 1, 2013
2,185
Shoreditch
I think we should turn it in to a more oligopolistic structure as opposed to the monopolistic structure we have now... Give people a choice in which services they use... Create competition...
 




pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
i am genuinely interested how nationalisation will result in low affordable fares for all......anyone going to have a stab at this,seriously not interested in binfest crap on this,genuinly interested.....please explain chaps,plenty voting for nationalisation as expected but can anyone give out some facts and figures
 




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