Was this a goal or not? Uproar over U14 cup final penalty

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• Jun 13, 2015

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Bizarre penalty shoot out Incident. Goal or not?


https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...enalty--miss--in-u14-cup-final-115917932.html

 

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Surely the ref has called it right, the ball hasn't stopped moving and has crossed the goal line.

 

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The laws of the game don't mention anything about the ball stopping moving or stopping forward progression or anything like that, that I can see on a brief skim read. It does say:

"The referee decides when a penalty kick has been completed."​

So, quite simply, the referee decided the penalty hadn't been completed (admittedly, probably using the movement of the ball as a guide). There have been other similar penalties linked on here, one hitting the crossbar, flying up, keeper celebrates, the ball comes down, bounces and spins into the goal. It counted.

 

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Dunno, but this one's good too

 

Ernest

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Of course it was a goal, the referee called it correctly and maybe the keeper learnt a lesson there

 

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Prince Monolulu said:

Dunno, but this one's good too

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Acker79 said:

The laws of the game don't mention anything about the ball stopping moving or stopping forward progression or anything like that, that I can see on a brief skim read. It does say:

"The referee decides when a penalty kick has been completed."​

So, quite simply, the referee decided the penalty hadn't been completed (admittedly, probably using the movement of the ball as a guide). There have been other similar penalties linked on here, one hitting the crossbar, flying up, keeper celebrates, the ball comes down, bounces and spins into the goal. It counted.

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This came up in You Are The Ref some time ago. It's a goal. The explanation was to do with when the event, ie the penalty, is completed. Clearly in this case the event was very much in action when the 'keeper fumbled around and ultimately put it into his net. It only completed when it was in the net.

 

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Its been removed by youtube

 

symyjym

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Programme_Seller said:

Its been removed by youtube

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gregbrighton

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It's a goal.

 

Gullflyinghigh

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Definitely a goal. Feel for the 'keeper but still, won't do that again...

It's probably just me but I find the behaviour of the next taker immensely annoying. Decision made, focus on the kick.

 

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Of course its a goal, can't really see why there'd be any argument.

 

KJP

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Clear goal, keeper was stupid

 

beorhthelm

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surprised its even a debate, clearly a goal.

 

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Keepers dad should ground him for 2 weeks for that. Shocking stuff

 

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Keeper threw it into the net - GGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

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Well ... Seems to me the ball was saved and then dead. It was not a continuation of play as it would be in a match, so as soon as the ball was under control and dead it couldn't be a goal.

 

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fleet said:

Well ... Seems to me the ball was saved and then dead. It was not a continuation of play as it would be in a match, so as soon as the ball was under control and dead it couldn't be a goal.

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But the very nature of the ball slipping out of his hands and into the goal would suggest that it wasn't under control and dead. And again, the laws of the game say a penalty is completed when the ref says it is, nothing about the ball being under control or stopping.

 

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Acker79 said:

But the very nature of the ball slipping out of his hands and into the goal would suggest that it wasn't under control and dead. And again, the laws of the game say a penalty is completed when the ref says it is, nothing about the ball being under control or stopping.

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Have watched it again. It did slip through his hands - it's a goal

 

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I know a goalkeeper in primary school who had the ball, and to take a run up before kicking it upfield, walked backwards into his own goal Goal given! (obviously). He didn't do it again.