MP's to get a 10% pay rise this year

bWize · Jun 3, 2015

Nice to see they are getting a 10% rise whilst austerity cuts across the board for some of the most vulnerable in society! But I suppose we are all in it together and should carry on doing the right thing...

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/great-news-for-mps-theyre-getting-a-10-pay-rise-this-year-5227484/

Nathan · Jun 3, 2015

This thread is just in time for lunch...could be interesting.

deletebeepbeepbeep · Jun 3, 2015

10%!!!!!! 10%!!!!!!! Most of us normals will have been lucky to see a 2 % rise over the last 5 years (unless for promotion or a new job)!!!

Prince Monolulu · Jun 3, 2015

We must all tighten our belts in these difficult times.

fataddick · Jun 3, 2015

Whilst I disagree with politicians in general, you either pay them a decent wage (they get about the same as a headteacher, apparently) or you don't pay them at all. The problem with the latter is that then only the independently wealthy can afford to be MPs - as was the case previously, it's only since 1911 the arsehats have been paid - and you end up with an even more out of touch legislature than we have now. *Catch 22*

sydney · Jun 3, 2015

ah bless ,that's really nice for them........cvnts...!

Norman Baker suck my lozenge · Jun 3, 2015

Fair play to them,didn't see anyone moaning when the greedy nurses and firemen we're getting 1%.

Nibble · Jun 3, 2015

And they wonder why people would protest in the streets. How long have the Tory's been back on government? 3,4 weeks? This is merely the shape of things to come. It's a total "V" sign to everyone in this country who struggles to make ends meet. Even more so to those nurses who were told to "stop being greedy". Disgusting.

Pavilionaire · Jun 3, 2015

From The Guardian:

The consultation document issued by Ipsa claims that, due to cuts in pensions and expenses such as a ban on claiming for evening meals, the overall package of changes would not cost taxpayers “a penny more”. The document says: “We remain of the view that it is right to increase MPs’ pay to £74,000 for all the reasons we set out in December 2013 and which we summarise above.

“Subject to any new and compelling evidence arising from this review, we therefore intend to implement the determination as currently drafted, with a one-off adjustment in MPs’ pay to £74,000 and subsequently linking it to changes in average UK earnings for the remainder of this parliament.”

The watchdog argues that MPs’ pay has fallen to 78% of that of “equivalents in the public sector”. It compares their role to the top tier of the civil service, chief superintendents in the police and colonels in the armed forces.

happypig · Jun 3, 2015

I think they should be barred from taking any other paid employment and any pay rise should be directly related to nurses/teachers/firefighters/police constables, so if 1% is enough for ordinary people, it's enough for them.
I'd also build (or buy) a few blocks of flats and make one available for every MP outside London, do away with the ability for them to buy a house and get the rest of us to pay for it.

Herr Tubthumper · Jun 3, 2015

Nibble said:
And they wonder why people would protest in the streets. How long have the Tory's been back on government? 3,4 weeks? This is merely the shape of things to come. It's a total "V" sign to everyone in this country who struggles to make ends meet. Even more so to those nurses who were told to "stop being greedy". Disgusting.

Under one month in power and they have sorted fox hunting and a pay-rise for themselves

#AllInItTogether

wellquickwoody · Jun 3, 2015

Nibble said:
And they wonder why people would protest in the streets. How long have the Tory's been back on government? 3,4 weeks? This is merely the shape of things to come. It's a total "V" sign to everyone in this country who struggles to make ends meet. Even more so to those nurses who were told to "stop being greedy". Disgusting.

You are out of order and you know it, you are better than that Nibble, or you actually have been taken in by the politics of envy.

Decision taken by an independent body long before the election so nowt to do with the new government. In fact I believe the poor darlings have not had a rise for around 3 years. You also need to ask, if you are a sensible person, if a £74k basic actually is too much to hold the power and responsibility that they do? And do you want those people made easy to corrupt that by those that would seek to do so?

Pavilionaire · Jun 3, 2015

In the past a modest 'basic' salary was topped up with ludicrous expenses. Now that this practice has ended the reality is if the basic salary is not competitive then MPs will take other posts and devote less time to their constituents and to attending parliamentary debate. They will justify this by "being part of the real world and not just a career politician". The result will be a less engaged bunch of MPs.

Herr Tubthumper · Jun 3, 2015

wellquickwoody said:
You are out of order and you know it, you are better than that Nibble, or you actually have been taken in by the politics of envy.

Decision taken by an independent body long before the election so nowt to do with the new government. In fact I believe the poor darlings have not had a rise for around 3 years. You also need to ask, if you are a sensible person, if a £74k basic actually is too much to hold the power and responsibility that they do? And do you want those people made easy to corrupt that by those that would seek to do so?

I'd rather some bright normal people get into power, bright normal people who would feel quite adequately compensated on 3 times the national average basic plus their expenses.

yxee · Jun 3, 2015

Nibble said:
And they wonder why people would protest in the streets. How long have the Tory's been back on government? 3,4 weeks? This is merely the shape of things to come. It's a total "V" sign to everyone in this country who struggles to make ends meet. Even more so to those nurses who were told to "stop being greedy". Disgusting.

Do you understand where the pay rise has come from? Why are you blaming the current government?

goldstone · Jun 3, 2015

Pavilionaire said:
From The Guardian:

The consultation document issued by Ipsa claims that, due to cuts in pensions and expenses such as a ban on claiming for evening meals, the overall package of changes would not cost taxpayers “a penny more”. The document says: “We remain of the view that it is right to increase MPs’ pay to £74,000 for all the reasons we set out in December 2013 and which we summarise above.

“Subject to any new and compelling evidence arising from this review, we therefore intend to implement the determination as currently drafted, with a one-off adjustment in MPs’ pay to £74,000 and subsequently linking it to changes in average UK earnings for the remainder of this parliament.”

The watchdog argues that MPs’ pay has fallen to 78% of that of “equivalents in the public sector”. It compares their role to the top tier of the civil service, chief superintendents in the police and colonels in the armed forces.

This is the point lost in all of the shouting from opponents of the pay rise. IPSA has said it will not cost taxpayers a penny more. If you don't pay MPs a decent salary, then you don't get the best people applying for the job. Peanuts and monkeys.

HOWEVER, we do not need 650 MPs to represent 63.5 million people. Cull the number of MPs by reducing the total by one third and you've got yourself a decent cost saving.

Herr Tubthumper · Jun 3, 2015

goldstone said:
This is the point lost in all of the shouting from opponents of the pay rise. IPSA has said it will not cost taxpayers a penny more. If you don't pay MPs a decent salary, then you don't get the best people applying for the job. Peanuts and monkeys.

HOWEVER, we do not need 650 MPs to represent 63.5 million people. Cull the number of MPs by reducing the total by one third and you've got yourself a decent cost saving.

Is this because the government have cut some disability benefits or education to fund it?

Thunder Bolt · Jun 3, 2015

Do the Labour, Green, UKIP, SNP and Uncle Tom Cobley et al, refuse their pay rises, or is it just the Tory MPs who get it?

beorhthelm · Jun 3, 2015

good to form, the ranters are ignoring the background of the story. nevermind about 5 year pay freeze and a committee deciding the pay award two years ago.

dazzer6666 · Jun 3, 2015

wellquickwoody said:
You are out of order and you know it, you are better than that Nibble, or you actually have been taken in by the politics of envy.

Decision taken by an independent body long before the election so nowt to do with the new government. In fact I believe the poor darlings have not had a rise for around 3 years. You also need to ask, if you are a sensible person, if a £74k basic actually is too much to hold the power and responsibility that they do? And do you want those people made easy to corrupt that by those that would seek to do so?

Pavilionaire said:
In the past a modest 'basic' salary was topped up with ludicrous expenses. Now that this practice has ended the reality is if the basic salary is not competitive then MPs will take other posts and devote less time to their constituents and to attending parliamentary debate. They will justify this by "being part of the real world and not just a career politician". The result will be a less engaged bunch of MPs.

Both of these, but given the austerity messages it just looks wrong and the timing is bad. Tying increases to other civil service professions could be the way forward I guess. Like or not, any job evaluation process (hay points etc) would rank MP at a level where £74k isn't unreasonable in relation to similarly-scored jobs and also worth bearing in mind that for many it's not a career, and they can get summarily dismissed after 5 years with a relatively modest payoff. To get the right calibre of people to stand the job has to pay reasonably well

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