Seen as too right wing in Scotland and too left wing in England, with the Tories eagerly trying to scoop up the middle ground while Labour re-invent themselves. Where do they go? Even if they separate the Scottish Labour Party completely from the English party they will suffer massively from guilt by association. Wither Labour? or will labour wither?
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Can Labour square the circle?
- Thread starter Surf's Up
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I don't mean to be rude but haven't we done this to death now?
Quite. Don't think this discussion needs yet another thread.
Hampster Gull
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Not sure, as the song goes, just cant get enough. Might have missed it but what is the CR and HT solution?
jakarta
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If Labour think all 4 million UKIP Votes were from ex-BNPers they are fooling themselves.....
Tom Hark Preston Park
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You'd like to think that the Tory budget in July where they take the kid-gloves off, and strap on the jackboots to beat up on the poor, will reveal the true nature of the c*nts and provoke massive civil disobedience.
Hampster Gull
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The Liberals were a force for good in the last government and shouldnt have been punished in the way they were
Tom Hark Preston Park
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LibDems were doomed the minute the trebling of Uni fees went through. Who on earth would trust them on anything at all after that?
Hampster Gull
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They got that horribly wrong but were overall a force fo good
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Nah. People don't easily forgive betrayals of that magnitude.
Lincoln Imp
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Asinine. They didn't break the pledge because they wanted to, they broke the pledge because they thought it was necessary to clinge the coalition deal. They were probably wrong but the most they were guilty of was poor negotiation.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Nope. LibDems were guilty of being a willing party to trebling the fees of the future intellectual property of the country. Who will now - if they've any sense at all - migrate to Oz and earn the salary their credentials fully deserve, instead of having to take up a lowly-paid McJob here in the UK.
Lincoln Imp
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You're over-egging. The Libs didn't 'willingly' participate in breaking their pre-election pledge - they did so reluctantly having been out-negotiated. Anyway, you'll now tell me that the effect has been a collapse in students from low income families. I expect.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Not really. The effect has been to relegate the LibDems to their traditional single digit share of the vote - from which they'll never recover.Might as well disband now and reinvent themselves as something with a similar-sounding name and hope that nobody notices.
To be honest, no I wouldn't like to see that. Nice to see you are such a fan of democracy.
And especially in the north of England, Sadly though it's easier to berate or sneer at them as opposed to listening to them. I was interested to see that Len McCluskey (leader of Unite) has said that freedom of movement of labour is definitely one area of EU policy that should be challenged. You can hear the Islington Socialists shifting uncomfortably in their seats as they hear this. There are quite a few of them (and a few on here as well) who pay lip service to the idea of Labour being a 'left wing working class party' who would be mortified if Labour really represented working class views and interests.
The problem is deeper than that. It goes back to Blair's Tory government and their insane idea that academic achievement was all that mattered and everyone should go to university as opposed to leaving school at 16.
And what views will be mortifying?
Lincoln Imp
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It was McCluskey I think who I heard the other day explaining that the reason so many traditional Labour supporters voted for a right wing party on May 7 was that the Labour Party wasn't left wing enough. The man really is a fool.
Living in the village I grew up in I know many people who would be described as traditional working class. Nearly all of them are politically to the right of me, and ( this being Sussex ) vote Tory.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Bang on the money.
Unfortunately Labour and the unions have both been guilty of deserting the working class in recent years, or to put that more succinctly.......the BRITISH working class.
Any politicians or institutions acting in the interests of the BRITISH working class run headlong into the interests of EU political construct and its supporters.
The interests of one will never align with the interests of the other, ergo plenty on this board have little regard for the BRITISH working class because they support the objectives of the EU more.
It's not difficult.........and crocodile tears now will not win them back UNLESS, the interests of the EU are neutered.