[Football] Premier Relegation Battle

perseus · May 16, 2015

No allegiances. I just want all the contenders for a place in the Championship to finish on 38 pts. Make it more nerve wracking and complicated.

This means Hull have got to win against Spurs.

Spurs form is poor and Hull seem on self destruct. If it goes to form all the goals will be in the first half. I think Hull will lose but that would be Spurs spoiling the fun.

Sunderland v Leicester is a banker draw. Almost worth a bet.

Hampster Gull · May 16, 2015

Um, ok. AV OUT

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

What you should want is Hull to lose so it makes it more likely Sunderland and Leicester stay up which means several million pounds for us in transfer add-ons.

perseus · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
What you should want is Hull to lose so it makes it more likely Sunderland and Leicester stay up which means several million pounds for us in transfer add-ons.

Leicester will stay up. Better goal difference.

nwgull · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
What you should want is Hull to lose so it makes it more likely Sunderland and Leicester stay up which means several million pounds for us in transfer add-ons.

This. A couple of million may not seem like much in today's top flight football money, but it can still make a big difference in who we could attract at our level and will increase the playing budget by 10%.

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
What you should want is Hull to lose so it makes it more likely Sunderland and Leicester stay up which means several million pounds for us in transfer add-ons.

I agree, although I have no idea how much it is we'd get. Is it really several million?

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

Triggaaar said:
I agree, although I have no idea how much it is we'd get. Is it really several million?

£4.5 million (if I recall correctly) if Burnley, Leicester and Sunderland stay up. Burnley are already down, but I would guess it is still close to £4 million as you would think the lowest amount would come from the Barnes transfer.

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
£4.5 million (if I recall correctly) if Burnley, Leicester and Sunderland stay up.

Given that our club never even tell us transfer fees, have they really told anyone the figure we'd get for the clubs staying up?

A mex eyecan · May 16, 2015

bit odd really how all those clubs are struggling, even with our ex superstars in their squads.

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

Triggaaar said:
Given that our club never even tell us transfer fees, have they really told anyone the figure we'd get for the clubs staying up?

It was in the published accounts. They didn't reveal individual add-on agreements. We've probably already gained some money from things like Ulloa appearances, and paid some money for Baldock appearances. No promotion fees due though!

The max we could receive is £4.3M and the max we could pay out is £1.9M

http://www.seagulls.co.uk/documents/doc150115-15012015133454229-2206891.pdf

nwgull · May 16, 2015

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seagulls4ever said:
It was in the published accounts. They didn't reveal individual add-on agreements. We've probably already gained some money from things like Ulloa appearances, and paid some money for Baldock appearances. No promotion fees due though!

The max we could receive is £4.3M and the max we could pay out is £1.9M

http://www.seagulls.co.uk/documents/doc150115-15012015133454229-2206891.pdf

I can't imagine that last season triggered too many performance related clauses!

Maybe an appearance clause was avoided by playing Best instead of COG??!

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
It was in the published accounts. They didn't reveal individual add-on agreements. We've probably already gained some money from things like Ulloa appearances, and paid some money for Baldock appearances. No promotion fees due though!

The max we could receive is £4.3M and the max we could pay out is £1.9M

Thanks. What page is the £4.3m detail on?

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

Triggaaar said:
Thanks. What page is the £4.3m detail on?

Page 32

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
Page 32

Thanks. That is not saying this though:

seagulls4ever said:
£4.5 million (if I recall correctly) if Burnley, Leicester and Sunderland stay up.

Some of that figure is bound to be related to how many goals they score, and how many times they play etc.

Dick Swiveller · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
What you should want is Hull to lose so it makes it more likely Sunderland and Leicester stay up which means several million pounds for us in transfer add-ons.

Perseus has never been that bothered about costing the club he "supports" large sums of money

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

Triggaaar said:
Thanks. That is not saying this though:
Some of that figure is bound to be related to how many goals they score, and how many times they play etc.

I should have said 'up to'. I already mentioned appearances etc in a previous post, most of which we have probably already gained, hence the final £4.5m number. I think we can assume a large chunk will come from those teams staying up, though.

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
I should have said 'up to'. I already mentioned appearances etc in a previous post, most of which we have probably already gained, hence the final £4.5m number. I think we can assume a large chunk will come from those teams staying up, though.

I honestly have no idea. Ulloa was by far the biggest sale, and being a striker, I would imagine a fair chunk would be on his goal scoring record. He's got 10 goals, so that should be decent for us, but not necessarily the full amount. And Bridcutt has had 9* appearances, and Buckley 4* - will we really be getting much for them, just because the club stay up?

I think it's highly unlikely we'll anywhere near an extra £4m for Sunderland and Leicester staying up.

* Only miles out

seagulls4ever · May 16, 2015

Triggaaar said:
I honestly have no idea. Ulloa was by far the biggest sale, and being a striker, I would imagine a fair chunk would be on his goal scoring record. He's got 10 goals, so that should be decent for us, but not necessarily the full amount. And Bridcutt has had 9 appearances, and Buckley 4 - will we really be getting much for them, just because the club stay up?

I think it's highly unlikely we'll anywhere near an extra £4m for Sunderland and Leicester staying up.

I'm not where you've got those appearance numbers from. Bridcutt has made 18 Premier League appearances this season (31 total including last season an extra +6 in cups this season) and Buckley 22 Premier League appearances (+2 cup appearances).

We know from reports at the time of transfer that the Ulloa add-ons add up to 2M. I've heard £0.5M is for appearances which he's already made and £1.5M is for them staying up (or going straight back up if they're relegated). Others have suggested slightly different numbers.

I'm pretty confident that we'll get a tidy sum from Sunderland and Leicester staying up, and the total, along with all the other add-ons, will be about £4M. Interpret the data as you will.

Triggaaar · May 16, 2015

seagulls4ever said:
I'm not where you've got those appearance numbers from. Bridcutt has made 18 Premier League appearances this season (31 total including last season an extra +6 in cups this season) and Buckley 22 Premier League appearances (+2 cup appearances).

lol - I was only a factor of 2 out for Bridcutt and a factor of 5 out for Buckely

We know from reports at the time of transfer that the Ulloa add-ons add up to 2M. I've heard £0.5M is for appearances which he's already made and £1.5M is for them staying up

Nothing for goals - is that normal?

I'm pretty confident that we'll get a tidy sum from Sunderland and Leicester staying up, and the total, along with all the other add-ons, will be about £4M. Interpret the data as you will.

Well for the purpose of this thread, it's only how much extra we get for them staying up that we're discussing.

Blue Valkyrie · May 16, 2015

Newcastle winning.

Relegation at the moment probably between Sunderland and Hull, with Villa and Leicester not quite safe.

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