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Nobby's Betamax Video

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Sep 30, 2006
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Up in the Gods
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
 




brightonmark1234

brightonmark1234

Well-known member
Feb 9, 2010
8,351
Worthing
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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who would we get in to do that then to help the forwards then
 


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BensGrandad

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Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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Like whom?
 


Icy Gull

Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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Agree completely about the way we play. Very poor tactics and coaching, it's not just the players that are responsible
 


peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
11,346
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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How about a current professional striker out of contract with QPR, played in the PL over a decade, knows the club well. a season or 2 as player\striking coach before hanging up his boots and coaching striker full time?

#comebackbobby
 
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Diablo

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Sep 22, 2014
4,185
lewes
Stop saying we need strikers....We need Goalscorers? we`ve got strikers who can`t score we don`t need any more of them...
 




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Freddie Goodwin.

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Mar 31, 2007
7,186
Brighton
We have well paid professional coaches already yet still can't work out any free kick or corner routines.
 


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Nobby's Betamax Video

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Up in the Gods
BensGrandad said:
Do we have the resouces of Big Sam. I would think our financial limit would be somebody like Steve Claridge or Jason Roberts.
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I agree that we probably don't have those resources. But what's the point in spending £30m on the "Elite Performance Centre" when we don't seem to have anyone to teach our "goal scorers" how to produce "Elite Performances"?

As the old adage goes "it's the people not the bricks & mortar".
 


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Mutts Nuts

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Oct 30, 2011
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Icy Gull said:
Agree completely about the way we play. Very poor tactics and coaching, it's not just the players that are responsible
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The players are not at fault,we have a 3rd division squad that is Tony and barbers decision the team play to the best of there ability
 




GT49er

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,715
Gloucester
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.
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Allowing them to regroup is a major part of the problem. Until Greer and co. realise that they're not playing 'progressive football' by rolling the ball across the back to each other for as much of the game as possible, we're always going to have the problem that our attackers are running straight into a perfectly marshalled defence that has had all the time in the world to get organised (and have a bit of a rest while they're waiting for us!)
 


nick c

nick c

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Mar 29, 2008
504
bn26
I'm not sure I agree,if we had anyone who could finish in front of goal we'd be ok,as a team we do produce chances but just can't score.Yesterday was another example of that,O'grady missed 2/3 good opportunities to score so did stevens and smith had half a chance,Watford on the other hand were clinical in front of goal and therefore breezed to victory.
 


Surf's Up

Surf's Up

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Jul 17, 2011
10,167
Here
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
I agree that we probably don't have those resources. But what's the point in spending £30m on the "Elite Performance Centre" when we don't seem to have anyone to teach our "goal scorers" how to produce "Elite Performances"?

As the old adage goes "it's the people not the bricks & mortar".
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This is so true. At the moment the inclusion of the word "elite" in the name of our training facility is a complete joke. The performances we witness are so dire not elite - perhaps the name should be changed to the "Dire Performance Centre"??
 




Medwayseagull

Medwayseagull

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Sep 23, 2011
4,322
North North East from the AMEX
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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I am not sure I would call Jones an ex-defender.
 




Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,196
There was a great example yesterday of why we are failing to score many goals this season

COG - deep and wide played a through ball to Carayol to break quickly and when he looked up, the only person we had who was trying to get into the box and onto the end of a cross was COG who had started the move behind Carayol.

There have been so many occasions when we look like we should play an early cross but have just one body in the box (usually COG) and they are up against 4 or 5 defenders so the play slows down, the defence gets reorganised and when we get a couple more forward, there are now 7 or 8 defending.

Wehn CMS has come on, he is normally faced with having to chase down a long ball played out wide and even if he was there first, no support and no one to cross it too (last season against Forest he had just Ulloa in similar circumstances) - he looked like a player who can link up well with a strike partner (early after coming on with COG when they were near each other by the half way line for example - this should be happening at the edge of the oppositions box, not the half way line) and CMS running in on the keeper should they spill it (likely where a lot of his Peterborough goals came from) but we never used him like that. A shame really but the reason he didn't do well i think, was that we just didn't try to play to his strengths and in a way that we would get the best from him for our benefit too. (but it's all too late with him leaving)

I worry that we are going to use Baldock in a similar way and again fail to get the best from him which we may do if we used him in his preferred role and with support (rather than as a winger)

We haven't been supporting our forward play and not playing to our strikers strengths for several seasons now, so it's no surprise they struggle to score. (even under Poyet and Garcia)
 


Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,163
Goldstone
Nobby's Betamax Video said:
... I think the team need a specialist coach to train them to be much more effective offensively. Hughton, Calderwood & Jones are all ex defenders and it concerns me that our limited attempts on goal this season have been very poor.

It's not just shooting practice but a much broader appreciation of attacking play from the back that's needed. Our transition from defence to attack is awful, with no movement, no pace or urgency. Other than Leeds at home we have consistently failed to counter successfully and don't have the quality or guile to break down organised defences after we allow them to regroup.

When we do create a break we don't make the right runs into the box , making a final ball often impossible to be a dangerous one.

I lost count today of the number of times that our players passed the ball behind their teammate, thereby losing momentum. Whilst we have a VERY annoying knack of missing an obvious and "safe" forward pass. Instead making a shorter, slower pass to a closer team mate who, guess what, then passes it to the guy who should have received the ball in the first place! Again, losing all momentum & the chance to stretch the opposition.

An ex-professional striker could bring this insight to the coaching staff. God knows we need it!
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Fair point. It doesn't need to be an ex striker, an ex attacking midfielder, whose job it was to get the team going on the break would also work.

I don't know how much of the current problem is down to the players, and whether they've got the skills or pace, and how much is down to the management (both style and coaching).
 




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