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tommynockers

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---------------------------Stockdale

---Bruno-------Hughes----- Dunk------ Bennett

Kayal/Ledesma--Ince--Stephens-Lua Lua

---------------o'grady/best-------
-------------------------------------Balldock---------

The 4-4-2 formation is one of the most commonly used in the world game.
It is an adaptable system that gives teams strength in midfield and plenty of width. The role of central midfielders and full-backs, particularly, can change depending on how much emphasis a team is putting on defense or offense.

Full-backs are given more of an attacking role in this system than in years gone past.

The 4-4-2 formation is effective because it can be adapted based on whether a team is setting out to attack or defend.

Continue Reading Below

Strikers in the 4-4-2 Formation

It is common in this system to have one striker playing high up the field capable of holding the ball up and laying it off to his partner. This player furthest up the field is often a big target man , with the physical strength to hold off defenders and bring his teammates into play.
But the front two does not have to comprise a big man and another striker running off him. Often teams choose to deploy a withdrawn striker, capable of playing in the 'hole' (the area behind the main striker) and using his creative skills to set up those around him, primarily his strike partner. Former Netherlands international Dennis Bergkamp was a prime example of this type of player.


If a coach opts to field a creative player in the 'hole,' the formation transforms into a 4-4-1-1.

Whichever front two combination a coach chooses to field, the player who is not a big target man or a withdrawn creative player, is likely to be a goalscorer, with the nous to sniff out and score chances in and around the penalty area.

Continue Reading Below
Central Midfielders in the 4-4-2 Formation

In a 4-4-2 formation, it is common to have one defensive midfielder and another whose job is to get forward and join the strikers in the penalty area.
The defensive midfielder is charged with breaking up opposition attacks, and when the team is on the back foot, act as an extra member of the defense. Most good teams have a player capable of screening the defense, acting as an insurance policy should the team surrender possession. Three of the best defensive midfielders currently in the game are Michael Essien, Javier Mascherano and Yaya Toure. It is players such as these that allow the team's more attacking players to push forward.

The other midfielder still has defensive responsibilities, especially when his team does not have possession. But it is key that he gets forward to support the strikers when the team have the ball, otherwise there is a risk that the front men would lack support, particularly if the wingers are not of the required quality.

More attack-minded managers may opt to have two midfielders who go forward, particularly against weaker teams, but it is considered the norm to field one more defensively-minded player.

If a manager is looking to surprise the opposition, he may tell his midfielders to take turns in going forward.

Wingers in the 4-4-2 Formation

A winger's prime responsibility is to take on full-backs and get the ball into the strikers. A typical old-fashioned winger will attempt to beat his defender before crossing into the penalty area for the strikers and advancing midfielders.
Wingers can also cut inside and pass to teammates but if they are instructed to cross the ball by their coach, it is more likely that they would do so on their favored foot from a wide position.

While the advanced midfielder has a responsibility to support the strikers, it is also the job of the wingers to get into advanced goalscoring positions.

When on the back foot, it is a winger's job to defend against opposition wingers and full-backs. If faced with an attack-minded full-back such as Dani Alves or Maicon, it is imperative that the winger supports his own full-back, or there is a risk that that flank could be badly exposed.

Full-backs in the 4-4-2 Formation

The primary role of a full-back is to defend against opposition wingers and other players occupying their area of the pitch. Good tackling ability is a prerequisite, and they should also help their central defenders , particularly when the opposition have a corner.
A team's full-backs can also be a major attacking weapon. A full-back with pace, power and good crossing ability is a real asset on the flank as they can stretch the other team's wide players and provide ammunition for strikers.

Often when their team has a corner, the full-backs will remain near the half-way line in case the opposition launch a rapid counterattack. This is because the central defenders will likely be up for the corner because of their height, while the full-backs can use their pace to foil the counterattack.

Central Defenders in the 4-4-2 Formation

The center-back's main job is to repel the attacks of the opposing team, primarily by tackling and heading the ball out of the danger zone. A center-back can mark a player in a certain area (zonal marking) or pick up a designated opposition player (man marking).
Playing in the center of defense requires strength, bravery, concentration and an ability to read the game.

While their teammates' passing may be expansive, center-backs generally keep things simple, distributing short passes.
 
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Goldstone1976

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Apr 30, 2013
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I know Stockdale's positioning is questionable, but there's no need to formally play him as a deep right back.
 


Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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I know Stockdale's positioning is questionable, but there's no need to formally play him as a deep right back.

I think you'll find the OP was preparing for the change in rules as proposed by FIFA for the last USA world cup - i.e. the goals being made bigger and as such having a requirement for two keepers. Actually, that could be quite fun to watch !
 


redoubtable seagull

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Oct 27, 2004
2,530
You'd play COG or Best as the creative man in the hole and Baldock as the hold up striker? That's daft.
Are you Hyppia in disguise?
 


shaolinpunk

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Nov 28, 2005
7,187
Brighton
Why have you suggested Kayal, a centre midfielder, plays on the wing?
 




Gullflyinghigh

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Apr 23, 2012
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It would be glorious if, just for one match, the formation and team was picked by NSC vote. I'm fairly certain that absolutely no-one would be entirely happy with the result (except for Kemy, who'd have someone/something new to blame).
 


Gazwag

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Mar 4, 2004
30,137
Bexhill-on-Sea
---------------------------Stockdale

---Bruno-------Hughes----- Dunk------ Bennett

Kayal/Ledesma--Ince--Stephens-Lua Lua

---------------o'grady/best-------
-------------------------------------Balldock---------

The 4-4-2 formation is one of the most commonly used in the world game.
It is an adaptable system that gives teams strength in midfield and plenty of width. The role of central midfielders and full-backs, particularly, can change depending on how much emphasis a team is putting on defense or offense.

Full-backs are given more of an attacking role in this system than in years gone past.

The 4-4-2 formation is effective because it can be adapted based on whether a team is setting out to attack or defend.

Continue Reading Below

Strikers in the 4-4-2 Formation

It is common in this system to have one striker playing high up the field capable of holding the ball up and laying it off to his partner. This player furthest up the field is often a big target man , with the physical strength to hold off defenders and bring his teammates into play.
But the front two does not have to comprise a big man and another striker running off him. Often teams choose to deploy a withdrawn striker, capable of playing in the 'hole' (the area behind the main striker) and using his creative skills to set up those around him, primarily his strike partner. Former Netherlands international Dennis Bergkamp was a prime example of this type of player.


If a coach opts to field a creative player in the 'hole,' the formation transforms into a 4-4-1-1.

Whichever front two combination a coach chooses to field, the player who is not a big target man or a withdrawn creative player, is likely to be a goalscorer, with the nous to sniff out and score chances in and around the penalty area.

Continue Reading Below
Central Midfielders in the 4-4-2 Formation

In a 4-4-2 formation, it is common to have one defensive midfielder and another whose job is to get forward and join the strikers in the penalty area.
The defensive midfielder is charged with breaking up opposition attacks, and when the team is on the back foot, act as an extra member of the defense. Most good teams have a player capable of screening the defense, acting as an insurance policy should the team surrender possession. Three of the best defensive midfielders currently in the game are Michael Essien, Javier Mascherano and Yaya Toure. It is players such as these that allow the team's more attacking players to push forward.

The other midfielder still has defensive responsibilities, especially when his team does not have possession. But it is key that he gets forward to support the strikers when the team have the ball, otherwise there is a risk that the front men would lack support, particularly if the wingers are not of the required quality.

More attack-minded managers may opt to have two midfielders who go forward, particularly against weaker teams, but it is considered the norm to field one more defensively-minded player.

If a manager is looking to surprise the opposition, he may tell his midfielders to take turns in going forward.

Wingers in the 4-4-2 Formation

A winger's prime responsibility is to take on full-backs and get the ball into the strikers. A typical old-fashioned winger will attempt to beat his defender before crossing into the penalty area for the strikers and advancing midfielders.
Wingers can also cut inside and pass to teammates but if they are instructed to cross the ball by their coach, it is more likely that they would do so on their favored foot from a wide position.

While the advanced midfielder has a responsibility to support the strikers, it is also the job of the wingers to get into advanced goalscoring positions.

When on the back foot, it is a winger's job to defend against opposition wingers and full-backs. If faced with an attack-minded full-back such as Dani Alves or Maicon, it is imperative that the winger supports his own full-back, or there is a risk that that flank could be badly exposed.

Full-backs in the 4-4-2 Formation

The primary role of a full-back is to defend against opposition wingers and other players occupying their area of the pitch. Good tackling ability is a prerequisite, and they should also help their central defenders , particularly when the opposition have a corner.
A team's full-backs can also be a major attacking weapon. A full-back with pace, power and good crossing ability is a real asset on the flank as they can stretch the other team's wide players and provide ammunition for strikers.

Often when their team has a corner, the full-backs will remain near the half-way line in case the opposition launch a rapid counterattack. This is because the central defenders will likely be up for the corner because of their height, while the full-backs can use their pace to foil the counterattack.

Central Defenders in the 4-4-2 Formation

The center-back's main job is to repel the attacks of the opposing team, primarily by tackling and heading the ball out of the danger zone. A center-back can mark a player in a certain area (zonal marking) or pick up a designated opposition player (man marking).
Playing in the center of defense requires strength, bravery, concentration and an ability to read the game.

While their teammates' passing may be expansive, center-backs generally keep things simple, distributing short passes.

The "Continue reading below" shows all you did was cut and paste your post from an American website (Center) and just added our players names
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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I think you'll find the OP was preparing for the change in rules as proposed by FIFA for the last USA world cup - i.e. the goals being made bigger and as such having a requirement for two keepers. Actually, that could be quite fun to watch !

If the balls were the same size as space hoppers and the goals were guarded by goalies dressed as Giants in big foam outfits we could let Stuart Hall out of stir to do the commentary as well. It would be immense.

I for one would happily part with my hard earned to watch that.
 




father_and_son

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Jan 23, 2012
4,646
Under the Police Box
I know Stockdale's positioning is questionable, but there's no need to formally play him as a deep right back.

I think you'll find this is the formation for the pre-game warm up, with Stockdale in the collapsible goal at the side of his area. Unfortunately at the whistle he forgets that he should be defending the "other" goal!
 


father_and_son

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Jan 23, 2012
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If the balls were the same size as space hoppers and the goals were guarded by goalies dressed as Giants in big foam outfits we could let Stuart Hall out of stir to do the commentary as well. It would be immense.

I for one would happily part with my hard earned to watch that.

I believe there is no ruling from FIFA on the size of the goalies' gloves, so I propose we add to this, huge fake hands that can barely be lifted off the ground and also make the goalie like an unturned turtle, unable to right himself when he falls. Hilarious!
 








Grombleton

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Dec 31, 2011
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Tex showed against Ipswich why 4-4-2 is flawed, he had mountains of space between the two lines of 4 to effect the game.
 








tommynockers

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Dec 6, 2013
297
Tex showed against Ipswich why 4-4-2 is flawed, he had mountains of space between the two lines of 4 to effect the game.

But it's the formation to go to when you are struggling to know whom your best players are and what your players do? Everyone knows their roles. You can fart around with formations when you have confidence and better players. Take pulls with west Brom for example. That's how he operates.
 




brightonrock

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Jan 1, 2008
2,482
But it's the formation to go to when you are struggling to know whom your best players are and what your players do? Everyone knows their roles. You can fart around with formations when you have confidence and better players. Take pulls with west Brom for example. That's how he operates.
Mate its not the Dog & Duck in sunday league. They're professional footballers who train all week. They know how to play in formations other than 442. And the point being made is valid - 442 makes you very vulnerable in midfield if (as most teams do) the opposition play any variation on 5 in midfield, because you're outnumbered and there will be space in between the lines. Ipswich showed that - Ince was controlling things between defence and midfield, and Tex was taking the piss in the pockets of space behind the striker.

I don't completely disagree that 442 has its merits, but if your post is intended to show some tactical nous that highly paid professionals apparently lack, you'd have done better not to have suggested playing Kayal right wing, a half fit Stephens to start, or having copy/pasted your apparently expert tips from an online laymans guide. Just a thought.
 




redoubtable seagull

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Oct 27, 2004
2,530
But it's the formation to go to when you are struggling to know whom your best players are and what your players do? Everyone knows their roles. You can fart around with formations when you have confidence and better players. Take pulls with west Brom for example. That's how he operates.

Pulis sets his teams up quite defensively usually with 2 def mids and 1 up top. But it all depends on the opposition. Whilst he does occasionally use 4 4 2, to suggest this is the only way he sets his teams up is just too simplistic and pandering to the unfair stereotype.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
70,151
---------------------------Stockdale

---Bruno-------Hughes----- Dunk------ Bennett

Kayal/Ledesma--Ince--Stephens-Lua Lua

---------------o'grady/best-------
-------------------------------------Balldock---------

The 4-4-2 formation is one of the most commonly used in the world game.
It is an adaptable system that gives teams strength in midfield and plenty of width. The role of central midfielders and full-backs, particularly, can change depending on how much emphasis a team is putting on defense or offense.

Full-backs are given more of an attacking role in this system than in years gone past.

The 4-4-2 formation is effective because it can be adapted based on whether a team is setting out to attack or defend.

Continue Reading Below

Strikers in the 4-4-2 Formation

It is common in this system to have one striker playing high up the field capable of holding the ball up and laying it off to his partner. This player furthest up the field is often a big target man , with the physical strength to hold off defenders and bring his teammates into play.
But the front two does not have to comprise a big man and another striker running off him. Often teams choose to deploy a withdrawn striker, capable of playing in the 'hole' (the area behind the main striker) and using his creative skills to set up those around him, primarily his strike partner. Former Netherlands international Dennis Bergkamp was a prime example of this type of player.


If a coach opts to field a creative player in the 'hole,' the formation transforms into a 4-4-1-1.

Whichever front two combination a coach chooses to field, the player who is not a big target man or a withdrawn creative player, is likely to be a goalscorer, with the nous to sniff out and score chances in and around the penalty area.

Continue Reading Below
Central Midfielders in the 4-4-2 Formation

In a 4-4-2 formation, it is common to have one defensive midfielder and another whose job is to get forward and join the strikers in the penalty area.
The defensive midfielder is charged with breaking up opposition attacks, and when the team is on the back foot, act as an extra member of the defense. Most good teams have a player capable of screening the defense, acting as an insurance policy should the team surrender possession. Three of the best defensive midfielders currently in the game are Michael Essien, Javier Mascherano and Yaya Toure. It is players such as these that allow the team's more attacking players to push forward.

The other midfielder still has defensive responsibilities, especially when his team does not have possession. But it is key that he gets forward to support the strikers when the team have the ball, otherwise there is a risk that the front men would lack support, particularly if the wingers are not of the required quality.

More attack-minded managers may opt to have two midfielders who go forward, particularly against weaker teams, but it is considered the norm to field one more defensively-minded player.

If a manager is looking to surprise the opposition, he may tell his midfielders to take turns in going forward.

Wingers in the 4-4-2 Formation

A winger's prime responsibility is to take on full-backs and get the ball into the strikers. A typical old-fashioned winger will attempt to beat his defender before crossing into the penalty area for the strikers and advancing midfielders.
Wingers can also cut inside and pass to teammates but if they are instructed to cross the ball by their coach, it is more likely that they would do so on their favored foot from a wide position.

While the advanced midfielder has a responsibility to support the strikers, it is also the job of the wingers to get into advanced goalscoring positions.

When on the back foot, it is a winger's job to defend against opposition wingers and full-backs. If faced with an attack-minded full-back such as Dani Alves or Maicon, it is imperative that the winger supports his own full-back, or there is a risk that that flank could be badly exposed.

Full-backs in the 4-4-2 Formation

The primary role of a full-back is to defend against opposition wingers and other players occupying their area of the pitch. Good tackling ability is a prerequisite, and they should also help their central defenders , particularly when the opposition have a corner.
A team's full-backs can also be a major attacking weapon. A full-back with pace, power and good crossing ability is a real asset on the flank as they can stretch the other team's wide players and provide ammunition for strikers.

Often when their team has a corner, the full-backs will remain near the half-way line in case the opposition launch a rapid counterattack. This is because the central defenders will likely be up for the corner because of their height, while the full-backs can use their pace to foil the counterattack.

Central Defenders in the 4-4-2 Formation

The center-back's main job is to repel the attacks of the opposing team, primarily by tackling and heading the ball out of the danger zone. A center-back can mark a player in a certain area (zonal marking) or pick up a designated opposition player (man marking).
Playing in the center of defense requires strength, bravery, concentration and an ability to read the game.

While their teammates' passing may be expansive, center-backs generally keep things simple, distributing short passes.

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