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    Right of centre politics will never win an election in this country in the 21st century.
    Why not? Seems theyve already won one as the tories are in power.

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      do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

      if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.
      If UKIP have their way we will be able to opt out -

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      Improve patient choice by introducing ‘Health Credit Vouchers’, which will enable people to opt out of the NHS public healthcare system entirely if they so wish.
      That really is privatising healthcare.
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      Would be better not to give them taxpayer money in the first place. Why do they always think that they can spend it better than we can?
      Quite correct, the government taking tax at source is also a liberty IMO.
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      do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

      if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.
      Cracking post! Not to mention homeopathy and all the other utter horseshit that people spend their money on.
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      Are people taking stupidity pills on here today or something
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      do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

      if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.
      I certainly agree to a point. For many years, I had a "simple" insurance when I could claim back a few bob after eg visiting the dentist. Then two years ago, I received a letter saying that the firm had been taken over by a larger set-up with a flash name centering around your health -best not to give names. As I feared, I have since been bombarded with letters urging me to take this and that insurance, and all will be well until I die. I take all this with a pinch of salt - we do read about cases where folk thought they were insured and that tiny print at the bottom meant that the firm was able to wriggle out of paying for treatment which they realised would be expensive.
      With respect, I think you slightly over-state your case - whilst I fully agree that mis-selling is an ever-present danger, a fair percentage of people (hard to be accurate) can work things out for themselves, and cases such as we read about in the press are not necessarily the norm. Private health insurance works well for many people - if there should be such a thing, but that is another argument. . .
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      If you look at who cleans our hospitals that job is being run by a private company. For the life of me I don't know why something as important as cleaning especially in a hospital is being run by a private company in the first place, but there you go, and your right we all need be paying a little bit more for it, and stop wasting money.

      I think we can agree that Health Care Trusts are strapped for cash, though we do not know exactly how they have chosen to spend it. So, it follows that after tendering, they opt for a service which gives best value for money. Whether that then turns out to be the case, is, of course, another matter. In some or perhaps most cases, they feel that a private company is best. It would then be pure and quite unjustifiable dogma to say that we are not going to take on a particular contract and opt for an inferior system, which might in addition be more expensive, simply because we don't want a private company. Let's face it - if there is no competition, is it likely to be cheap, life being as it is. I would only respectfully ask that you keep an open mind, if you want the NHS to command popular support. You do, afterall, end your post by saying that we should all pay more for the NHS - this does include not wasting money.
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      Cracking post! Not to mention homeopathy and all the other utter horseshit that people spend their money on.
      Oh Notters - thought better of you ! A short story that I've relayed on here before :

      My eldest son used to go swimming two or three times a week. When he was about 4 years old he suddenly came up with a skin complaint that didn't hurt him but wasn't particularly sightly. The doctor diagnosed it as something I can't remember the proper name for but is commonly known as 'Swimming Pool Disease'. We were told there was no treatment available and just to wait for it to disappear which could take up to five years. Apparently he caught it from spending so much time in swimming pools - hence the name.

      Anyway, we accepted this statement from the doctor and got on with life. That was until the former Mrs Westdene got chatting with a neighbour about it six months later and the neighbour turned out to be a homeopathic practitioner. She gave us a free treatment for him and it was cleared up within two weeks. My youngest son got it a few years later - same statement from the doctor but this time we got the homeopathic treatment almost straight away and yet again it worked.

      Because of political dogma the NHS dismisses homeopathic medicine as a viable alternative to paying drugs companies billions of pounds. It doesn't help that doctors are held in such high regard by people that they are rarely challenged and the same doctors pour scorn on homeopathic treatments. They've worked for the Chinese for thousands of years well before there was a P&L balance sheet ever invented. People shouldn't dismiss it so readily and the NHS should offer mixed treatments - for starters it would be far cheaper but the stupidity and corruption of politicians and 'Chief Medical Officers' will no doubt prevent this.
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      Haven't UKIP changed their policy on NHS privatisation to match the Conservatives ie claim they will protect the NHS but allow privatisation by stealth through the back door ?
      What 'privatisation by stealth' do you talk about by the Conservatives? Ownership of hospitals? That's in the private sector's hands due to Blair's PFI fetish. Private cleaning companies? Outsourced by Labour in the early 2000s. Only continuing the policy....

      Like hell do I trust Labour running the health service, just look at Wales; a very, very well run service indeed.
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      As I said I dont know just assumed
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      Oh Notters - thought better of you ! A short story that I've relayed on here before :

      My eldest son used to go swimming two or three times a week. When he was about 4 years old he suddenly came up with a skin complaint that didn't hurt him but wasn't particularly sightly. The doctor diagnosed it as something I can't remember the proper name for but is commonly known as 'Swimming Pool Disease'. We were told there was no treatment available and just to wait for it to disappear which could take up to five years. Apparently he caught it from spending so much time in swimming pools - hence the name.

      Anyway, we accepted this statement from the doctor and got on with life. That was until the former Mrs Westdene got chatting with a neighbour about it six months later and the neighbour turned out to be a homeopathic practitioner. She gave us a free treatment for him and it was cleared up within two weeks. My youngest son got it a few years later - same statement from the doctor but this time we got the homeopathic treatment almost straight away and yet again it worked.

      Because of political dogma the NHS dismisses homeopathic medicine as a viable alternative to paying drugs companies billions of pounds. It doesn't help that doctors are held in such high regard by people that they are rarely challenged and the same doctors pour scorn on homeopathic treatments. They've worked for the Chinese for thousands of years well before there was a P&L balance sheet ever invented. People shouldn't dismiss it so readily and the NHS should offer mixed treatments - for starters it would be far cheaper but the stupidity and corruption of politicians and 'Chief Medical Officers' will no doubt prevent this.
      I am sorry the NHS dismiss it because there isnt any reasonable expectation based in science that it actually works.
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      I am sorry the NHS dismiss it because there isnt any reasonable expectation based in science that it actually works.
      But in certain circumstances it does work. Only because the world of science, which actually in this case means drugs companies, choose not to scientifically test it doesn't mean it doesn't work. I'm not for one minute saying it should replace high end life saving drugs more that it should be considered for non-life threatening conditions. It would save the NHS billions.

      By your statement you're suggesting that only man made drugs can deal with medical complaints never anything natural.
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