Film shows Nigel Farage calling for move away from state-funded NHS

crookie · Nov 12, 2014

There is enormous waste in the NHS, I deliver to the Kent and Sussex Hospital, Goods Inwards guy would laugh when I turned up with some stuff, ordering stuff they didn't need, just to keep an account active, ordering stuff that just added to a pile of the same that had been sitting in the stores for a year, are just 2 examples. Until the NHS and other Public bodies, treat spending taxpayers money like their own, we will continue to have a situation where money is wasted on a massive scale

dingodan · Nov 12, 2014

Hastings gull said:
Hello again!
I am not sure if this post is sarcastic or not??! Inevitably, the issue of whether it is run as well as this says, depends on your experience. My mother suffers with Dementia, and I have repeatedly asked the clinic to stop sending medication to the local chemist and I would email them for repeat prescriptions, which worked well at the onset of the disease. Now, it just keeps coming, and yesterday on another mission to the chemist, they handed me 4 months worth, which now joins the year's supply I already have. Similarly, a friend of mine(written with his permission) has a condition needing steroids, with the intention of gradually reducing the dosage; as this can then become complicated, he writes a note calculating exactly what he needs to accompany the request for medication -this is virtually always ignored with the result that 4 packs of tablets have had to be thrown away, as the chemist will not take anything back, even if clearly unopened. When I tackled my GP about this, his attitude was that the NHS is in his words "an incredibly inefficient organisation".

That having been said, my treatment at the Conquest Hospital in Hastings on the occasion of a hip replacement was excellent and on the medical side, I could not fault it. Yes, the NHS undoubtedly came up trumps, as it also did when I called for an ambulance a couple of years ago for my mum. But having had experience for many years with the German system, which was superb, I imagine that people in other countries are similarly impressed with a different approach. This is not to say that we should do away with the NHS, which has done much good -just that for all its merits, it may not necessarily be the best system that we could go for, and we should keep an open mind.

I agree with you. Especially about open minds.

dingodan · Nov 12, 2014

crookie said:
There is enormous waste in the NHS, I deliver to the Kent and Sussex Hospital, Goods Inwards guy would laugh when I turned up with some stuff, ordering stuff they didn't need, just to keep an account active, ordering stuff that just added to a pile of the same that had been sitting in the stores for a year, are just 2 examples. Until the NHS and other Public bodies, treat spending taxpayers money like their own, we will continue to have a situation where money is wasted on a massive scale

Would be better not to give them taxpayer money in the first place. Why do they always think that they can spend it better than we can?

withdeanwombat · Nov 12, 2014

This is a real shock to me. Are Ukippers even more right wing than the Conservatives? Lucky I found out before the election !

beorhthelm · Nov 12, 2014

dingodan said:
Would be better not to give them taxpayer money in the first place. Why do they always think that they can spend it better than we can?

do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.

HOFNSKIN · Nov 12, 2014

Farage is as much a "Posh Boy" as Cocaine Dave and his side kick Gideon. Right of centre politics will never win an election in this country in the 21st century.

drew · Nov 12, 2014

portlock seagull said:
One of the big myths of the NHS is that it's not already largely privatised e.g. Buildings, services, labour force...it's nearly all in private hands already. I am by no means exceptionally well informed to debate the NHS but I do wish the Great British Public would at least try and scratch the surface before joining in with the country's favourite political football match. The rhetoric that goes with the NHS is appallingly one sided at times when basically we all need to pay more for it. After all, what's more important than your health?

Most people don't give a damn who owns the buildings, who cleans the floors, who cooks the food. When people talk about the NHS and privatisation, all they want to know is that when they walk through the door for treatment they aren't being asked for a policy number

bashlsdir said:
If you look at who cleans our hospitals that job is being run by a private company. For the life of me I don't know why something as important as cleaning especially in a hospital is being run by a private company in the first place, but there you go, and your right we all need be paying a little bit more for it, and stop wasting money.

Agree, think there was a correlation between the rise of hospital acquired infection rates and the outsourcing of cleaning!

beorhthelm said:
last time i checked, the NHS was supposed to be funded through an insurance based system...

more interesting in the video was the points on workers (adjusting workplace legislation according to company size) and foreign aid (removing tariffs to promote trade), because im not sure who would disagree, and why?

Think it's about time you checked again. Last time I looked, NI contributions just go into the general taxation pool!

sparkie · Nov 12, 2014

Can't stand Farage, loathe him with a passion, so quite frankly this doesn't surprise me.

Soulman · Nov 12, 2014

HOFNSKIN · Nov 12, 2014

This political situation is similar to the origins of Hitlers National Socialist German Workers Party in Germany in the 1930s

looney · Nov 12, 2014

HOFNSKIN said:
Right of centre politics will never win an election in this country in the 21st century.

Why not? Seems theyve already won one as the tories are in power.

Creaky · Nov 13, 2014

beorhthelm said:
do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.

If UKIP have their way we will be able to opt out -

From their 2010 manifesto

Improve patient choice by introducing ‘Health Credit Vouchers’, which will enable people to opt out of the NHS public healthcare system entirely if they so wish.

That really is privatising healthcare.

Justice · Nov 13, 2014

dingodan said:
Would be better not to give them taxpayer money in the first place. Why do they always think that they can spend it better than we can?

Quite correct, the government taking tax at source is also a liberty IMO.

Notters · Nov 13, 2014

beorhthelm said:
do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.

Cracking post! Not to mention homeopathy and all the other utter horseshit that people spend their money on.

Hastings gull · Nov 13, 2014

beorhthelm said:
do you honestly think the general public can spend their money on healthcare any better? really? a population that buys products such as Carling Black Label, or pays £3 for a milky coffee? the vast majority of the population wouldnt have a clue about how to spend their healthcare insurance. and of course they wouldnt need to, they'd simply pay a premium to a nice looking company brochure. and that always works out ok for everyone, no chance of being mis-sold healthcare insurance is there?

if and when Nurofen leave the shelfs, then we might be in a place that hints the population are about ready to think about spending their own money on healthcare.

I certainly agree to a point. For many years, I had a "simple" insurance when I could claim back a few bob after eg visiting the dentist. Then two years ago, I received a letter saying that the firm had been taken over by a larger set-up with a flash name centering around your health -best not to give names. As I feared, I have since been bombarded with letters urging me to take this and that insurance, and all will be well until I die. I take all this with a pinch of salt - we do read about cases where folk thought they were insured and that tiny print at the bottom meant that the firm was able to wriggle out of paying for treatment which they realised would be expensive.
With respect, I think you slightly over-state your case - whilst I fully agree that mis-selling is an ever-present danger, a fair percentage of people (hard to be accurate) can work things out for themselves, and cases such as we read about in the press are not necessarily the norm. Private health insurance works well for many people - if there should be such a thing, but that is another argument. . .

Hastings gull · Nov 13, 2014

Originally Posted by bashlsdir View Post

If you look at who cleans our hospitals that job is being run by a private company. For the life of me I don't know why something as important as cleaning especially in a hospital is being run by a private company in the first place, but there you go, and your right we all need be paying a little bit more for it, and stop wasting money.

I think we can agree that Health Care Trusts are strapped for cash, though we do not know exactly how they have chosen to spend it. So, it follows that after tendering, they opt for a service which gives best value for money. Whether that then turns out to be the case, is, of course, another matter. In some or perhaps most cases, they feel that a private company is best. It would then be pure and quite unjustifiable dogma to say that we are not going to take on a particular contract and opt for an inferior system, which might in addition be more expensive, simply because we don't want a private company. Let's face it - if there is no competition, is it likely to be cheap, life being as it is. I would only respectfully ask that you keep an open mind, if you want the NHS to command popular support. You do, afterall, end your post by saying that we should all pay more for the NHS - this does include not wasting money.

Westdene Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

Notters said:
Cracking post! Not to mention homeopathy and all the other utter horseshit that people spend their money on.

Oh Notters - thought better of you ! A short story that I've relayed on here before :

My eldest son used to go swimming two or three times a week. When he was about 4 years old he suddenly came up with a skin complaint that didn't hurt him but wasn't particularly sightly. The doctor diagnosed it as something I can't remember the proper name for but is commonly known as 'Swimming Pool Disease'. We were told there was no treatment available and just to wait for it to disappear which could take up to five years. Apparently he caught it from spending so much time in swimming pools - hence the name.

Anyway, we accepted this statement from the doctor and got on with life. That was until the former Mrs Westdene got chatting with a neighbour about it six months later and the neighbour turned out to be a homeopathic practitioner. She gave us a free treatment for him and it was cleared up within two weeks. My youngest son got it a few years later - same statement from the doctor but this time we got the homeopathic treatment almost straight away and yet again it worked.

Because of political dogma the NHS dismisses homeopathic medicine as a viable alternative to paying drugs companies billions of pounds. It doesn't help that doctors are held in such high regard by people that they are rarely challenged and the same doctors pour scorn on homeopathic treatments. They've worked for the Chinese for thousands of years well before there was a P&L balance sheet ever invented. People shouldn't dismiss it so readily and the NHS should offer mixed treatments - for starters it would be far cheaper but the stupidity and corruption of politicians and 'Chief Medical Officers' will no doubt prevent this.

GreersElbow · Nov 13, 2014

seagullsovergrimsby said:
Haven't UKIP changed their policy on NHS privatisation to match the Conservatives ie claim they will protect the NHS but allow privatisation by stealth through the back door ?

What 'privatisation by stealth' do you talk about by the Conservatives? Ownership of hospitals? That's in the private sector's hands due to Blair's PFI fetish. Private cleaning companies? Outsourced by Labour in the early 2000s. Only continuing the policy....

Like hell do I trust Labour running the health service, just look at Wales; a very, very well run service indeed.

BigGully · Nov 13, 2014

Westdene Seagull said:
Oh Notters - thought better of you ! A short story that I've relayed on here before :

My eldest son used to go swimming two or three times a week. When he was about 4 years old he suddenly came up with a skin complaint that didn't hurt him but wasn't particularly sightly. The doctor diagnosed it as something I can't remember the proper name for but is commonly known as 'Swimming Pool Disease'. We were told there was no treatment available and just to wait for it to disappear which could take up to five years. Apparently he caught it from spending so much time in swimming pools - hence the name.

Anyway, we accepted this statement from the doctor and got on with life. That was until the former Mrs Westdene got chatting with a neighbour about it six months later and the neighbour turned out to be a homeopathic practitioner. She gave us a free treatment for him and it was cleared up within two weeks. My youngest son got it a few years later - same statement from the doctor but this time we got the homeopathic treatment almost straight away and yet again it worked.

Because of political dogma the NHS dismisses homeopathic medicine as a viable alternative to paying drugs companies billions of pounds. It doesn't help that doctors are held in such high regard by people that they are rarely challenged and the same doctors pour scorn on homeopathic treatments. They've worked for the Chinese for thousands of years well before there was a P&L balance sheet ever invented. People shouldn't dismiss it so readily and the NHS should offer mixed treatments - for starters it would be far cheaper but the stupidity and corruption of politicians and 'Chief Medical Officers' will no doubt prevent this.

I am sorry the NHS dismiss it because there isnt any reasonable expectation based in science that it actually works.

Westdene Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

BigGully said:
I am sorry the NHS dismiss it because there isnt any reasonable expectation based in science that it actually works.

But in certain circumstances it does work. Only because the world of science, which actually in this case means drugs companies, choose not to scientifically test it doesn't mean it doesn't work. I'm not for one minute saying it should replace high end life saving drugs more that it should be considered for non-life threatening conditions. It would save the NHS billions.

By your statement you're suggesting that only man made drugs can deal with medical complaints never anything natural.

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