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The latest in the utterly futile excercise to "sort out" English football









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Postman Pat

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Jul 24, 2007
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Coldean
It all comes down to this:

“If your top league is largely foreign owned with foreign managers, why should those in control care about developing the England team?”
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,303
Postman Pat said:
It all comes down to this:

“If your top league is largely foreign owned with foreign managers, why should those in control care about developing the England team?”
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on the other hand club's owners regardless of being foreign or not should be interested in nurturing home grown talent rather than importing it. and i mean that at a local not just national level.
 


spring hall convert

spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
9,608
Brighton
beorhthelm said:
on the other hand club's owners regardless of being foreign or not should be interested in nurturing home grown talent rather than importing it. and i mean that at a local not just national level.
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Agreed and it would likely make sense from a financial perspective to the clubs.

I just think Dyke's wasting his energy in completely the wrong areas. Forget the Premier League, that ship has sailed.
 




Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,569
Greg Dyke hasn't got a clue about how to run the FA. But then he's not the first.

The damage has already been done and with every year that passes the Prem gets stronger and the FA is one year on from the glory of 1966. It didn't seem so long ago that Baddiel and Skinner proclaimed "30 Years Of Hurt" in their smash hit "Three Lions", but here we are with 48 years of hurt and still counting. Meanwhile, 3 stone overweight pie-munching, X-Box King Adel Taraabt is picking up £65,000 per week for nothing.
 


blue'n'white

blue'n'white

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Oct 5, 2005
3,082
2nd runway at Gatwick
My idea for "revamping" English national football was simple. DON'T concentrate on the poxy Premier League - invite the best English players from the Championship, Leagues 1 and 2 too to attend training camps before internationals and then pick the best team that gels together to represent the country. OK so you may end up with League 1 players but does it really matter - it may make the pampered Premier League "stars" sit up and take note if they feel that their God given "right" to represent their country may be under threat and they may play better to cement their place. It can't hurt surely
 


Spun Cuppa

Spun Cuppa

Thanks Greens :(
Jul 2, 2009
5,352
'We're on the road to nowhere...'
Like the report last week that the FA is hoping to entice an NFL franchise to use Wembley for a whole season, and let the England football team play at club grounds around the country. How our attractiveness has waned :ohmy:
 




spring hall convert

spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
9,608
Brighton
Spun Cuppa said:
Like the report last week that the FA is hoping to entice an NFL franchise to use Wembley for a whole season, and let the England football team play at club grounds around the country. How our attractiveness has waned :ohmy:
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Watching the game on Sunday, it was really good to see Wembley full for a change.
 


Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,569
Spun Cuppa said:
Like the report last week that the FA is hoping to entice an NFL franchise to use Wembley for a whole season, and let the England football team play at club grounds around the country. How our attractiveness has waned :ohmy:
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I can just see the FA grinning as the cash rolls in from hosting the London Englanders while Spurs fans spend 2 years commuting to Milton Keynes because they can't find a suitable London ground to take them whilst White Hart Lane is rebuilt.
 


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Brovion

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Jul 6, 2003
19,363
spring hall convert said:
David Conn in The Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/27/greg-dyke-homegrown-talent-premier-league-fa

Does anyone apart from Greg Dyke believe that the owners of Premier League Clubs have any concern about the future of the England national team. It's laughable, why should they?
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It's not just the premier league owners. Fans too are far more interested in seeing their club sides do well. And whilst they're probably not opposed to measures to improve the national side per se, they don't want to see them if it means their own club side is less competitive. And not just premier league fans. Any poll on here with a question along the lines of 'England to win the World Cup or Brighton to get promoted?' will demonstrate the secondary place the national side has.

Sad old *******s like me who care about England (and the FA Cup!) are a dying breed. Most fans just aren't that interested, so you can't lay all the blame on the P/L owners - even though they might appear to be a convenient scapegoat.
 




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Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,336
Uffern
Postman Pat said:
It all comes down to this:

“If your top league is largely foreign owned with foreign managers, why should those in control care about developing the England team?”
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I like the bit that came after. "Dyke promised to address that ..." . How? That sounds as meaningless as Miliband's pledge to put fans on the board. What's he going to do? Ban foreign owners? Ban foreign managers? Let's face it, Greg Dyke has got as much influence as Katie Price's marriage counsellor and you just know he's going to huff and puff for a few years before leaving with a massive pay-off
 


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Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
6,284
Brovion said:
It's not just the premier league owners. Fans too are far more interested in seeing their club sides do well. And whilst they're probably not opposed to measures to improve the national side per se, they don't want to see them if it means their own club side is less competitive. And not just premier league fans. Any poll on here with a question along the lines of 'England to win the World Cup or Brighton to get promoted?' will demonstrate the secondary place the national side has.

Sad old *******s like me who care about England (and the FA Cup!) are a dying breed. Most fans just aren't that interested, so you can't lay all the blame on the P/L owners - even though they might appear to be a convenient scapegoat.
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Just a few of us left now who can remember the days when fans supported club and country in almost equal measure
and we all sat down to cheer on England. When players treasured an England cap and nothing would stand in the way of them representing their country. It was the highest honour and it was what they all aspired to.
Football represents life and as our society has become ever more self-centred and greedy, so has football. It has become the new money making machine and as such has attracted the less desirable elements of society. Big money attracts spivs, sharks and dealers. Dyke is fighting a losing battle. So many are dipping their fingers into this ever increasing pot and fetching out great wads of money. The trouble is, they are all taking it for themselves and leaving none behind for the game.
They are not interested in the long term future of the game or the national side. The present is too lucrative. Grab what we can and worry about the future later. Well, when the game has finally been ransacked of all its money and dignity in years to come, we can all look back to a time when there was pride in the England team and its success united a nation.
 


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Brovion

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NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2003
19,363
Mo Gosfield said:
Just a few of us left now who can remember the days when fans supported club and country in almost equal measure
and we all sat down to cheer on England. When players treasured an England cap and nothing would stand in the way of them representing their country. It was the highest honour and it was what they all aspired to.
Football represents life and as our society has become ever more self-centred and greedy, so has football. It has become the new money making machine and as such has attracted the less desirable elements of society. Big money attracts spivs, sharks and dealers. Dyke is fighting a losing battle. So many are dipping their fingers into this ever increasing pot and fetching out great wads of money. The trouble is, they are all taking it for themselves and leaving none behind for the game.
They are not interested in the long term future of the game or the national side. The present is too lucrative. Grab what we can and worry about the future later. Well, when the game has finally been ransacked of all its money and dignity in years to come, we can all look back to a time when there was pride in the England team and its success united a nation.
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I can also remember the days when we all sat down and supported Man U, Liverpool, Forest etc as they were representing 'Britain' (my support for Celtic in Europe stems entirely from 1967). I no longer give a toss about the so-called 'English' sides in Europe. Foreign-owned and foreign-managed Chelsea for example (with their couple of token Brit players) no more represent 'England' than an American airbase in Britain represents a part of the British armed forces.
 


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