Could being TOO SLOW this time cause relegation?

Ian Bairds Fist · Oct 28, 2014

A quicker appointment of Hyypia would've given the bloke a full summer to assess the squad - we were too slow on that front.
An appointment of his preferred No. 2 might've given us a management team that actually knew each other and could work together - leaving it so late on the Lee front left us with Nathan Jones.
A quicker purchase of decent strikers for this level would've allowed us to negotiate on decent terms, rather than bargaining with c.£8m in the bank.
Rumours of Clayton, Ward, etc blew those deals out of the water, why couldn't we use the 'don't tell the fans anything' policy on those ones

Now we're the last club in the bottom 5 to make a change. Hopefully the delay in getting in someone with knowledge of the Championship won't cost us our place.
Are we too skint to be able to pay off the likes of Hyypia, Burke or Barber

TomandJerry · Oct 28, 2014

Barber OUT

But in all seriousness considering Barber is the one making the cuts and saving money, I doubt he'd axe himself!

Vegas Seagull · Oct 28, 2014

No'one in the World thought anyone would bid £8m for Leo ie it was 99% he would start for us...understandably we looked for players to support Leo for months. Hence this season is a write off. Just bad luck, it happens sometime

One Teddy Maybank · Oct 28, 2014

Took longer to appoint Garcia and we did ok.

The thing that still riles me is the non-signing of Ward, that should have been sown up immediately after Derby. If we had to pay slightly more wages so what, that would have been covered by the release of Kiszcczak, Orlandi, Lingaard and Andrews.

Ernest · Oct 28, 2014

Taking too SLOW to sack Hyppia will cause us to be relegated, if you take the benchmark of needing 50+ points to be safe then we need 37/38 points from the next 32 matches. At the moment it is 0.92 a match points average and we need now just to be safe to average 1.18 and you can forget top 6 as we need to average 1.93 points a match to reach 75 points and not a hope in hell of that.

Best we can hope for this season now is a bottom 8 finish and good luck selling tickets for next season on that.

One Teddy Maybank · Oct 28, 2014

Ernest said:
Taking too SLOW to sack Hyppia will cause us to be relegated, if you take the benchmark of needing 50+ points to be safe then we need 37/38 points from the next 32 matches. At the moment it is 0.92 a match points average and we need now just to be safe to average 1.18 and you can forget top 6 as we need to average 1.93 points a match to reach 75 points and not a hope in hell of that.

Best we can hope for this season now is a bottom 8 finish and good luck selling tickets for next season on that.

Very good point.

8ace · Oct 28, 2014

Ernest said:
Taking too SLOW to sack Hyppia will cause us to be relegated, if you take the benchmark of needing 50+ points to be safe then we need 37/38 points from the next 32 matches. At the moment it is 0.92 a match points average and we need now just to be safe to average 1.18 and you can forget top 6 as we need to average 1.93 points a match to reach 75 points and not a hope in hell of that.

Best we can hope for this season now is a bottom 8 finish and good luck selling tickets for next season on that.

I also think the games we've played have been against the easier teams - only decent opposition so far has been Watford and Boro.
The sooner we sack him the better.

drew · Oct 28, 2014

Ian Bairds Fist said:
A quicker appointment of Hyypia would've given the bloke a full summer to assess the squad - we were too slow on that front.
An appointment of his preferred No. 2 might've given us a management team that actually knew each other and could work together - leaving it so late on the Lee front left us with Nathan Jones.
A quicker purchase of decent strikers for this level would've allowed us to negotiate on decent terms, rather than bargaining with c.£8m in the bank.
Rumours of Clayton, Ward, etc blew those deals out of the water, why couldn't we use the 'don't tell the fans anything' policy on those ones
Now we're the last club in the bottom 5 to make a change. Hopefully the delay in getting in someone with knowledge of the Championship won't cost us our place.
Are we too skint to be able to pay off the likes of Hyypia, Burke or Barber

What are you on about? The season finished for us on the 11th May and Hypia was appointed on the 6th June, three weeks before pre season training started. What makes you think 'rumours' about the deals we were in 'blew them out of the water'? Middlesbrough were always after Clayton and who knows what Ward's agent was pushing behind the scenes.

Justice · Oct 28, 2014

What I dont get is TB has a team of people collecting football stat data. Assign one to the championship and you would have an idea of what management style works, best team formations and best available players.

Ian Bairds Fist · Oct 28, 2014

Ernest said:
Taking too SLOW to sack Hyppia will cause us to be relegated, if you take the benchmark of needing 50+ points to be safe then we need 37/38 points from the next 32 matches. At the moment it is 0.92 a match points average and we need now just to be safe to average 1.18 and you can forget top 6 as we need to average 1.93 points a match to reach 75 points and not a hope in hell of that.

Best we can hope for this season now is a bottom 8 finish and good luck selling tickets for next season on that.

Very worrying figures indeed. On the season ticket front, we'd need a bloody good manager who will show promising signs for next season and a few purchases in Jan to give us some hope, otherwise we'll be looking at c.17k season tickets next season in my opinion.

Ian Bairds Fist · Oct 28, 2014

And that's assuming the new season tickets are correctly priced/reduced for the CUSTOMERS.

Don Quixote · Oct 28, 2014

Even if they do sack him they'll probably take a month making a short list, having interviews etc.

Mayfair Seagull · Oct 28, 2014

Sums it up. The board are so slow to act it's unbelievable. I'm amazed and very concerned that he hasn't been sacked yet... tomorrow night could be horrendous.

grubbyhands · Oct 28, 2014

Ian Bairds Fist said:
And that's assuming the new season tickets are correctly priced/reduced for the CUSTOMERS.

If we finish in the lower half / just avoid the drop to League 1 should it be reduce the ticket prices and "sell 'em cheap,stack 'em high (a la Tesco),more bums on seats and maybe an improvement in atmosphere? Or are we jiggered?

Thunder Bolt · Oct 28, 2014

Watford & Leeds have had multiple changes of managers, but are doing better than us.

BensGrandad · Oct 28, 2014

Everybody is panicking unduly, we have not won in October for 5 years and this year was no different. We will stay undefeatefd for a few weeks and pick up some wins on the way, possibly starting at Bournemouth followed by Wigan at home. Midtable finish is what I expect although a little disillusioned with TB statement at the fans forum to look at the squad after the transfer window. I expect him to put that right soon and hope I am not wrong to put my faith in TB.

nwgull · Oct 28, 2014

8ace said:
I also think the games we've played have been against the easier teams - only decent opposition so far has been Watford and Boro.
The sooner we sack him the better.

Not true. Have a look at the table. We've played 14 out of 23, all of who make up a fairly even spread across current league positions.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 28, 2014

BensGrandad said:
Everybody is panicking unduly, we have not won in October for 5 years and this year was no different. We will stay undefeatefd for a few weeks and pick up some wins on the way, possibly starting at Bournemouth followed by Wigan at home. Midtable finish is what I expect although a little disillusioned with TB statement at the fans forum to look at the squad after the transfer window. I expect him to put that right soon and hope I am not wrong to put my faith in TB.

We won at Peterborough 30 Oct 2011 just THREE years ago.

British Bulldog · Oct 28, 2014

drew said:
What are you on about? The season finished for us on the 11th May and Hypia was appointed on the 6th June, three weeks before pre season training started.

Exactly, Sami Hyypia was appointed in plenty of time the club just made a big error in bringing in a manager who was going to destroy all the momentum we've built up over a period of time by trying to impose a different style of play that just doesn't work. If anything was too slow it was squad building and I'm at the point where I'm not sure who to blame for that one? Was it David Burke and the recruitment team dragging their heels and penny pinching? or did they just have the same trouble understanding Hyypia's style and tactics as the rest of us do?

BensGrandad · Oct 28, 2014

Thunder Bolt said:
We won at Peterborough 30 Oct 2011 just THREE years ago.

Sorry I was quoting something I read in the papers that we hadnt won during October for 5 years.

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