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Conservative MP defects to UKIP
- Thread starter gregbrighton
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GT49er
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"Douglas Carswell claims that David Cameron has 'made up his mind' and wants Britain to stay in the European Union". May have a point there..........
He will have his moment in the spotlight and then sink into political obscurity.
seagullsovergrimsby
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Dodgy Dave's wish might be granted in 2015 when he loses the General Election and Labour scrap any plans for a referendum on exiting the EU.
gregbrighton
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I think Caswell's actions has the potential to do serious damage to the Tories. It just opens up the festering wounds within the Conservative Party over Europe. It's the mid 1990's all over again and that put the Tories into opposition for 13 years except this time it has happening less than a year before the General Election.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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What do you imagine would happen if we left the EU?
The Merry Prankster
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CMD has always been clear he believes our future in (an albeit reformed) EU. Has Carswell only just noticed?
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
deary me you cannot trust anyone these days 
fat old seagull
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I'd love all MPs to leave their parties, and vote on their principles, common sense and the interests of their constituents. Instead of blindly following Party Policy, right or wrong.
it isn't an imagine it is only a negative outcome on the cards. in the long-term the large foreign banks will progressively shift from the London to Frankfurt, the city of london is the heart of our economy, many foreign banks hold offices in London so that they can register as a uk company and fall under our laws, american companies like the benefits of being based in London and trading with Europe. China is already in the process of moving to Frankfurt, in the last decade the gap between Frankfurt and London has been reduced but there is no guarantee they would or will overtake for at least a couple of decades yet, however leaving the EU would have grave ramifications and give a decisive shift to kill off competition from the London Stock Exchange. Our trade with Europe in general would drop due to the introduction of Tariffs, countries have already resented us owing to our non committal stance, you cannot quantify the benefits of being in the EU because we all experience them, you cannot do what UKIP tries to do and suggest it is a cash for cash swap membership where we lose out. The fee we give to be a member is minimal, and even if it was more the fact is we should be giving money to help less fortunate nations as we are a country built upon exploitation of those who are less fortunate. We need to be taking down borders rather than putting them up, and that is why i fear Scotland leaving, it will only aid the advance of nationalism, less cultural contact breeds racism that UKIP can exploit, a party run by fools, biggots that preys on those less well informed, it is always easy to float the anti-EU issue in a time of economic difficulty and to turn the public against the alien element in society.
Southern Toon
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Exactly the same crap was spouted back in late 1999 when we opted out of joining the euro, 14 years on & the city's still going strong despite the doom merchants. Let the people decide, it's called democracy.
And Labour open the flood gates to migrants once again. Bet Ed dork milliband will push us into the single currency. The country will be bankrupt with ed balls in charge of the piggy bank.
dingodan
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You're the guy who has just finished his Masters at Cambridge University, right?
sometimes you have to let the experts make the decisions, the politicians are better informed than the general public many of whom buy in to the scaremongering and propaganda that UKIP spouts. democracy does not guarantee a smart decision, after all the Nazi's were elected through democratic means, in England we had the Khaki and Coupon elections which were fought on protectionist, anti-alien and jingoist grounds that play on the lack of knowledge of the public and rally them behind cheap campaign calls that are effective but foment xenophobia and prey on ignorance. Democracy has limits, we elect politicians to make educated choices that they know far more about so we should let them exercise the powers we have given them.
yeah, how come?
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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There ain't no party like a UKIP party.