Rosler says it's tough for Wigan financially

Braggfan · Aug 20, 2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28865303

Boo hoo poor old Wigan, it's so sad their parachute payments aren't as big as last year. My heart bleeds for you Uwe.

Notters · Aug 20, 2014

They will be completely buggered when they lose them as they don't have any fans.

Greg Bobkin · Aug 20, 2014

He's got a point though - the money changing hands in the Championship is pretty crazy these days.

Mattywerewolf · Aug 20, 2014

If they don't bounce back this year they will be in trouble....No sympathy. They had large parachutes last year and still get some this year, so they benefit from being in position 4-6 of the most funded teams.... :wozza:

Braggfan · Aug 20, 2014

Greg Bobkin said:
He's got a point though - the money changing hands in the Championship is pretty crazy these days.

I agree the money is crazy, I just object to one of the clubs getting parachute payments saying how hard it is for them financially.

Driver8 · Aug 20, 2014

What a bloody hypocrite.

Monsieur Le Plonk · Aug 20, 2014

"We have less income than last year and we have to adapt more and more to life in the Championship, but still push to win promotion."

and

I have always thought he has come across as an intelligent and canny fellow but he's not thinking straight if that article is true.

CheeseRolls · Aug 20, 2014

Notters said:
They will be completely buggered when they lose them as they don't have any fans.

15,000 average is not too shabby, given it is a traditional rugby league town and the number of top clubs they have nearby. I know you were only really making a point about whether they should be competitive at this level, but their success, looks like it may have bought them some fan loyalty - plenty of clubs I would rather slag off to be honest.

Deleted member 22389 · Aug 20, 2014

What with Wigan paying out on premiership wages, and now getting less money by staying in the Championship for another season, they have got a problem on their hands.
I think the key is to get straight back to the Premier league after coming down, otherwise it's a downward spiral after that. The longer you stay in the Championship as an ex premier league team, the more money it costs you.

Bognor Bystander · Aug 20, 2014

Shirley the answer is for the clubs to have better contracts which allow players to leave if Relegation occurs or accept that if they stay to 'see out' their contract a reduced wage will be imposed etc ?

Braggfan · Aug 20, 2014

Bognor Bystander said:
Shirley the answer is for the clubs to have better contracts which allow players to leave if Relegation occurs or accept that if they stay to 'see out' their contract a reduced wage will be imposed etc ?

I've always wondered about that, why clubs don't have clauses that say if they're relegated then a player's wages are reduced or players are released or put up for sale at knock down prices. I would have thought it was a must for any club outside the top 6. Maybe it's greed, maybe clubs don't want to get rid of big earners for no money. But for example if Birmingham had released Zigic on relegation, they could have avoided paying 50k a week in wages for several years, thats got to be better?

Pavilionaire · Aug 20, 2014

Basically, if they come out of it fvcked then what hope have we got? For those deriding Wigan now, consider the facts for their last 10 years. They spent 8 years in the top flight, and while they were there they appeared to run their club well, picking up some sizeable transfer fees along the way and winning the FA Cup.

Their record fee spent is still only £6.5 million (Aug 2010 - Mauro Boselli) while they've consistently done good business, i.e. £16 million for Antonio Valencia, James McCarthy £13.5 million, Baines £6.6 million, N'Zogbia £9.5 million, Victor Moses £10million, Palacios £13.2 million, Aroune Kone £5million, Chimbonda £4.5 million.

They've also had a sensible chairman and some decent managers in Jewell, Bruce and then Martinez. This is not a Blackburn, Pompey or Leeds - this is a well-run club, and they've still come out of it with the cupboard bare and the dream of Prem football a distant memory.

Green Cross Code Man · Aug 20, 2014

Pavilionaire said:
Basically, if they come out of it fvcked then what hope have we got? For those deriding Wigan now, consider the facts for their last 10 years. They spent 8 years in the top flight, and while they were there they appeared to run their club well, picking up some sizeable transfer fees along the way and winning the FA Cup.

Their record fee spent is still only £6.5 million (Aug 2010 - Mauro Boselli) while they've consistently done good business, i.e. £16 million for Antonio Valencia, James McCarthy £13.5 million, Baines £6.6 million, N'Zogbia £9.5 million, Victor Moses £10million, Palacios £13.2 million, Aroune Kone £5million, Chimbonda £4.5 million.

They've also had a sensible chairman and some decent managers in Jewell, Bruce and then Martinez. This is not a Blackburn, Pompey or Leeds - this is a well-run club, and they've still come out of it with the cupboard bare and the dream of Prem football a distant memory.

Shows how messed up football is now that tv is the driving force.

Ernest · Aug 20, 2014

It shows how parachute money isn't just needed to get promoted by spending big but keeping heads above water too

Deleted member 22389 · Aug 20, 2014

This is why we have the academy. You get the players on your terms, and you don't have to pay a transfer fee for them.
And yes looking at how Wigan have been careful, it really just shows how badly run football is.

Gary Leeds · Aug 20, 2014

I remembered hearing that no player will sign a contract with a wage reduction for relegation, they would rather walk away because they know the clubs have the finances in parachute payments to pay them off for the last 2-4 years. Of course the same players will gladly accept a 50% increase on promotion should the club get it because they will claim they earned it from their performances, well you deserve a pay cut because its your performances that got your team relegated.

I think it will be the next big thing to change to come in line with FFP. Lower wages but a performance related pay bonus at the end of the season. get promoted to the PL and you can have a 500k bonus but your wage will be 10k a week and not 20k. Stay up the next season and you can have 1m bonus but you still only earn 10k a week instead of 30k

Gazwag · Aug 20, 2014

Braggfan said:
I've always wondered about that, why clubs don't have clauses that say if they're relegated then a player's wages are reduced or players are released or put up for sale at knock down prices. I would have thought it was a must for any club outside the top 6. Maybe it's greed, maybe clubs don't want to get rid of big earners for no money. But for example if Birmingham had released Zigic on relegation, they could have avoided paying 50k a week in wages for several years, thats got to be better?

Problem is employment lawyers would have a field day if something like that was put into a contract and what player would want to sign a contract like that

Gazwag · Aug 20, 2014

Gary Leeds said:
I think it will be the next big thing to change to come in line with FFP. Lower wages but a performance related pay bonus at the end of the season. get promoted to the PL and you can have a 500k bonus but your wage will be 10k a week and not 20k. Stay up the next season and you can have 1m bonus but you still only earn 10k a week instead of 30k

I agree with this, exactly how the majority of salesmen/women are paid, they get their basic retainer and the rest of their salary is performance related, when times are good they get big bonuses when time are bad they don't but they still get their basic salary

edna krabappel · Aug 20, 2014

Yep, have heard it said on a number of occasions that players generally won't sign contracts with relegation clauses (at least, not the good ones).

They love performance-related pay, footballers, but only when it works in their favour.

nwgull · Aug 20, 2014

Braggfan said:
I've always wondered about that, why clubs don't have clauses that say if they're relegated then a player's wages are reduced or players are released or put up for sale at knock down prices. I would have thought it was a must for any club outside the top 6. Maybe it's greed, maybe clubs don't want to get rid of big earners for no money. But for example if Birmingham had released Zigic on relegation, they could have avoided paying 50k a week in wages for several years, thats got to be better?

Because it reduces your chances of attracting quality players in the first place I imagine. If a player is offered a 3 year deal but with a clause that cuts his wages in half if the team get relegated, it's going to be less attractive than a similar deal with no relegation clause from another club.

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