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    I know what you're saying mate and kind of agree but it seems to me that the heart of what was a very successful team has long since been ripped out and the rebuilding has only just begun.

    Buckley and Kaz both have the same problem as far as I can see, they are both wingers in a team that appears to be playing without any, so while both are capable of playing the inside forward role, unfortunately both are also an injury waiting to happen.

    For now we have interest in Buckley does it not make sense to get as much as we can and try and use this to rebuild the team into one that can play the new system?

    As far as I am aware there has been no interest in kaz as yet, but if there is I would expect him to be allowed to leave to. Its not unusual for a new manager to want to build a team his way, it seems to me like this is happening with our club right now. But I am concerned that we have under 3 weeks left for permanent signings and still a lot of work to do.
    I can see the logic in this but I would have thought it prudent to get replacements in BEFORE letting them go.

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      I know what you're saying mate and kind of agree but it seems to me that the heart of what was a very successful team has long since been ripped out and the rebuilding has only just begun.

      Buckley and Kaz both have the same problem as far as I can see, they are both wingers in a team that appears to be playing without any, so while both are capable of playing the inside forward role, unfortunately both are also an injury waiting to happen.

      For now we have interest in Buckley does it not make sense to get as much as we can and try and use this to rebuild the team into one that can play the new system?

      As far as I am aware there has been no interest in kaz as yet, but if there is I would expect him to be allowed to leave to. Its not unusual for a new manager to want to build a team his way, it seems to me like this is happening with our club right now. But I am concerned that we have under 3 weeks left for permanent signings and still a lot of work to do.
      No interest in Kaz, perhaps other clubs see him for what he is.
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      I can see the logic in this but I would have thought it prudent to get replacements in BEFORE letting them go.
      We would all like to see this, but sometimes you just have to take the offer while its there.

      I know Brighton would never admit to Chris O'Grady being Ulloa's replacement but do you really think its a coincidence that the deal to bring him in was finalised at more or less the same time as Ulloa was allowed to leave? I think (hope) we will bring in higher profile players than COG but I'd be surprised if any of them are as similar in stature to Ulloa as COG is, we don't need 2 big target men unless one is strictly a bench warmer.
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      I can see the logic in this but I would have thought it prudent to get replacements in BEFORE letting them go.
      Buckley will go, it's just a matter of when. There will be realisation that, from a PR perspective, letting another one of our (supposed) prize assets go before some good news in the other direction will not be a good thing.

      As such my guess, and it is only a guess, is that we will see inward movement before Buckley goes. Adam Clayton is the likely one because, in Hyypia's style of play he's a replacement.
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      Borini, in mainly awful side if you look at the vast majority of Sunderland's season, was a quality striker last season. Not prolific, but PL quality.

      To me Buckley is class. A rarity in our current depleted squad in that he has pace, vision and a quality pass. If we can improve the squad with quality in the next few weeks, it will help him and others. Granted his injury record is poor - but why the double standards - most fans gave/give CMS, Orlandi and Vicente a free pass on that very same issue?
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      I know what you're saying mate and kind of agree but it seems to me that the heart of what was a very successful team has long since been ripped out and the rebuilding has only just begun.

      Buckley and Kaz both have the same problem as far as I can see, they are both wingers in a team that appears to be playing without any, so while both are capable of playing the inside forward role, unfortunately both are also an injury waiting to happen.

      For now we have interest in Buckley does it not make sense to get as much as we can and try and use this to rebuild the team into one that can play the new system?

      As far as I am aware there has been no interest in kaz as yet, but if there is I would expect him to be allowed to leave to. Its not unusual for a new manager to want to build a team his way, it seems to me like this is happening with our club right now. But I am concerned that we have under 3 weeks left for permanent signings and still a lot of work to do.
      Thanks for a well written reply, but we will have disagree, Buckley and Kaz are the only players we currently have that are capable of getting fans out their seats when they have the ball, a fit Buckley would have made a huge difference last season. The sale of Barnes, Bridcutt and Ulloa has provided around 12 million, surely some of this, re invested in the squad would be enough to provide adequate replacements without selling Buckley.
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      Borini, in mainly awful side if you look at the vast majority of Sunderland's season, was a quality striker last season. Not prolific, but PL quality.

      To me Buckley is class. A rarity in our current depleted squad in that he has pace, vision and a quality pass. If we can improve the squad with quality in the next few weeks, it will help him and others. Granted his injury record is poor - but why the double standards - most fans gave/give CMS, Orlandi and Vicente a free pass on that very same issue?
      I'm not sure you can put CMS's one bad injury in the same category as Orlandi or Vicente, who were perpetually niggled
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      He's always crocked for crying out loud...we need to get rid of injury prone players,its that simple!!!
      Why should the club have to keep getting in cover for sick note players all the time?
      We have a bit of an issue with buying injury prone players and lazy players in recent years,no wonder our wage bill has been so high.You get 5/6 injury prone players and they need to be covered wether its a free transfer or loans etc.I don't get why some fans can't grasp the fact that the likes of buckley are high earners that offer jack shite to the playing side.

      If your washing machine keeps breaking down and you keep paying for repairs....what do you do?

      I rest my case
      You missed my point. If we had the numbers then fine. But with our record of actually signing players my point was we need to keep rather than sell. Come end of the transfer window we will have a shed load of cash and bugger all players
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      Thanks for a well written reply, but we will have disagree, Buckley and Kaz are the only players we currently have that are capable of getting fans out their seats when they have the ball, a fit Buckley would have made a huge difference last season. The sale of Barnes, Bridcutt and Ulloa has provided around 12 million, surely some of this, re invested in the squad would be enough to provide adequate replacements without selling Buckley.
      I sincerely hope you are right, you would have thought the sale of Ulloa on its own would have been enough to seriously strengthen the team.

      I do like Buckley and Kaz, I completely agree that seeing both fly past a full back, or Buckley getting through one on one with the keeper, Kaz coming inside and having a crack from the edge of the box, these are the moments you go to the game for but you said it yourself, a fit Buckley... When fit he is a match winner, when fit Poyet would be told to stick his money where the sun don't shine but will we ever see him fit for long enough to make a difference? I've got a feeling were about to find out if patience has worn out or not.

      Good to have a sensible discussion by the way
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      Buckley will go, it's just a matter of when.
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