The Big Club Theorem (part deux)

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

We have heard a lot of chat asking how big our club really is, and how big this or that club is in comparison. Now, to stop all these arguments, I have devised the Big Club Theorem thus:

The Big Club Theorem:

Big Club Rating = [Current ground capacity x club age x (1 + FA Cup final appearances + European Cup final appearances + UEFA Cup final appearances)] / 1000000

Here are a few notable Big Club Ratings including ourselves shown below. You will note that Barnsley have a slightly higher rating than us, based probably on one more cup final appearance (all figures from Wiki). Also, interesting to see that Chelsea and Spurs have similar ratings.

Man Utd: [75731 x 136 x (1 + 18 + 5 + 0)] / 1000000 = 247.2
Arsenal: [60338 x 128 x (1 + 18 + 1 + 0)] / 1000000 = 154.5
Liverpool: [45276 x 122 x (1 + 14 + 7 + 3)] / 1000000 = 138.1
Chelsea: [41837 x 109 x (1 + 11 + 2 + 1)] / 1000000 = 68.4
Spurs: [36284 x 131 x (1 + 9 + 0 + 3)] / 1000000 = 61.8
Barnsley: [23009 x 127 x (1 + 2 + 0 + 0)] /1000000 = 8.8
BHA: [30750 x 113 x (1 + 1 + 0 + 0)] / 1000000 = 7.0

In future, don’t muck about, if you need to find out if one club is bigger than another, use the Big Club Theorem.

symyjym · Jul 28, 2014

So we are the seventh biggest club in England?

sparkie · Jul 28, 2014

Any judgement of a club's (current) 'bigness' really needs to ignore ancient history.

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

So we are the seventh biggest club in England?

No these are just a few notable examples of teams. Barnsley are there because of O Grady's comments a few weeks back. Transpires that Barnsley are 'bigger' than us, as proved by the theorem.

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

sparkie said:
Any judgement of a club's (current) 'bigness' really needs to ignore ancient history.

Disagree, these are fundamental variables in the theorem.

Puppet Master · Jul 28, 2014

Ground capacity? Club age? And why no top flight titles factored in?

Puppet Master · Jul 28, 2014

Puppet Master said:
Ground capacity? Club age? And why no top flight titles factored in?

In other words, this is just constructed to make us sound bigger than Palace, isnt it.

Icy Gull · Jul 28, 2014

Any theory that suggests Barnsley are bigger than the mighty Brighton and Hove Albion is clearly a rubbish theory. COG has already covered that one :thumbsup:

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

Puppet Master said:
Ground capacity? Club age? And why no top flight titles factored in?

Poopsville, may need to amend the theorem

BBassic · Jul 28, 2014

What do Leeds and, arguably the biggest club in our ever expanding Universe, Pompey come out at?

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

Puppet Master said:
In other words, this is just constructed to make us sound bigger than Palace, isnt it.

No it isn't, I'll do the figures for Palace in due course. Jeez, now I know how Einstein felt when he first issued his theory of relativity!

D'Angelo Saxon · Jul 28, 2014

I think you need to factor in all trophies won (definitely not at the same points value though - all should carry different weight).

Brighton TID · Jul 28, 2014

D'Angelo Saxon said:
I think you need to factor in all trophies won (definitely not at the same points value though - all should carry different weight).

Perhaps the Charity Shield should have the highest weighting

The Brighton Bear · Jul 28, 2014

I think that the manager's shoe size should also enter the calculations.

sparkie · Jul 28, 2014

Brighton TID said:
Disagree, these are fundamental variables in the theorem.

History can say whether a club WAS 'big', not whether it IS 'big'.

Glories from over a century ago are not really relevant when judging the current status, but have a great place when commenting on a club's history.

D'Angelo Saxon · Jul 28, 2014

Brighton TID said:
Perhaps the Charity Shield should have the highest weighting

Ha ha... I was in no way wanting to tip the scale towards Brighton.

father_and_son · Jul 28, 2014

There should be an "aging" scalar associated with each of the final appearances.

I would suggest this should be something like (0.98) ^ (Years Ago - 1).

So an FA Cup final, say, 6 years ago carries ~90% of the weight of last season's, something 19 Years ago would be ~70% as important, 35 years ago is ~50%, etc.

Notters · Jul 28, 2014

This has been done before with much more complicated formula. You need to take into account the Southern League, the relative importance of different cups through the years, the "recentness" of different achievements, etc. I'd also say ground capacity is irrelevant... Look at the mighty Queens Park:

I'm not convinced the age of a club is relevant either, certainly not a big factor.

Obviously it's completely subjective though, which makes all that I and everyone says irrelevant.

Gullflyinghigh · Jul 28, 2014

Brighton TID said:
Poopsville, may need to amend the theorem

It should include all title wins, with relevant weightings for each league.

Top title wins are all well and good but many clubs don't have one (nor any major trophy), so outside those that do you'll need a few tie-breakers...also, where's the League Cup and Johnstones Trophy?

The Brighton Bear · Jul 28, 2014

Brighton TID said:
No it isn't, I'll do the figures for Palace in due course. Jeez, now I know how Einstein felt when he first issued his theory of relativity!

In his first publication he had Palace as relatively big. The Nobel Stand Chat users soon shouted that one down.

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