7-1 Why the hell can't England do that?

Goring Gull · Jul 9, 2014

Why oh Why can't England do that - Similar League set ups in both countries I don't believe individually Germany's players are that much better than ours. Surely give it a few years to pull together and maybe England could get it right.

Black Rod · Jul 9, 2014

Goring Gull said:
I don't believe individually Germany's players are that much better than ours.

I've read some bollocks on here in my time, but that could just about take the biscuit

Goring Gull · Jul 9, 2014

Carping on again

Bad Ash · Jul 9, 2014

I'm sure if we played Germany a few times we could manage to get thumped 7-1 by them.

mikeyjh · Jul 9, 2014

Goring Gull said:
Why oh Why can't England do that - Similar League set ups in both countries I don't believe individually Germany's players are that much better than ours. Surely give it a few years to pull together and maybe England could get it right.

I've said it before but it's all down to playing with freedom and good decision making, we play like robots and are coached in exactly what to do and how to do it. Again, I'm not advocating the abolition of coaching, but let players play, it's what they do..... All this bollards about tippy tappy posession football, formations etc, it's hogwash

hans kraay fan club · Jul 9, 2014

Black Rod said:
I've read some bollocks on here in my time, but that could just about take the biscuit

Indeed. Utterly laughable.

Man for man, EVERY single one of the German XI is significantly better than their England counterpart.

shaolinpunk · Jul 9, 2014

Goring Gull said:
I don't believe individually Germany's players are that much better than ours

Which English players do you think would get into the Germany squad?

hans kraay fan club · Jul 9, 2014

mikeyjh said:
I've said it before but it's all down to playing with freedom and good decision making, we play like robots and are coached in exactly what to do and how to do it. Again, I'm not advocating the abolition of coaching, but let players play, it's what they do.....

That's nonsense.

The German performance last night was staggeringly well organised. that doesn't happen by accident - by telling them to just 'go out and play'.

Black Rod · Jul 9, 2014

mikeyjh said:
I've said it before but it's all down to playing with freedom and good decision making, we play like robots and are coached in exactly what to do and how to do it. Again, I'm not advocating the abolition of coaching, but let players play, it's what they do..... All this bollards about tippy tappy posession football, formations etc, it's hogwash

Freedom, lack of formations - yeah, I think that is the way to go. Worked well for Brazil last night

One Teddy Maybank · Jul 9, 2014

hans kraay fan club said:
Indeed. Utterly laughable.

Man for man, EVERY single one of the German XI is significantly better than their England counterpart.

I was thinking of debating this with you, initially, but with the exception of Rooney (and even that is clutching at straws), you are right.

There is a significant difference.

Even if we'd played Ashley Cole, Lahm is better these days.

sam86 · Jul 9, 2014

Goring Gull said:
I don't believe individually Germany's players are that much better than ours.

Would you rather...

Neuer or Hart?
Lahm or Johnson?
Hummels or Cahill?
Mertesacker or Jagielka?
Boateng or Baines?
Schweinsteiger or Gerrard?
Khedira or Henderson?
Kroos or Lallana?
Schürrle or Sterling?
Özil or Welbeck?
Müller or Rooney?
Klose or Sturridge?

Germanys players ARE much better than ours.

Mellotron · Jul 9, 2014

hans kraay fan club said:
That's nonsense.

The German performance last night was staggeringly well organised. that doesn't happen by accident - by telling them to just 'go out and play'.

Spot on. Brazil played with NO plan whatsoever, whereas Germany were very cold, clinical, and stuck to a plan.

sam86 · Jul 9, 2014

OK, so the time it took me to do that, my point has already been proven! :lolol:

Black Rod · Jul 9, 2014

One Teddy Maybank said:
I was thinking of debating this with you, initially, but with the exception of Rooney (and even that is clutching at straws), you are right.

There is a significant difference.

Even if we'd played Ashley Cole, Lahm is better these days.

Cole over Howedes perhaps. If Germany wanted to play actual full backs. And at a push Joe Hart might make it as a third choice goalkeeper

Lahm would be the best left back in the English squad, the best right back in the English squad and the best holding midfielder in the English squad. That says it all

Buzzer · Jul 9, 2014

Mellotron said:
whereas Germany were very cold, clinical, and stuck to a plan.

And they all wear lederhosen, all love fart jokes and get their towels down extra early on holiday*.

*Courtesy of the Eye-Spy book of Lazy Stereotypes.

Biscuit · Jul 9, 2014

Germany have had a better team than us since 1970. They're far superior in all aspect. I dread drawing them tbh, a quality side who delight in tearing us to pieces,

albionite · Jul 9, 2014

mikeyjh said:
I've said it before but it's all down to playing with freedom and good decision making, we play like robots and are coached in exactly what to do and how to do it. Again, I'm not advocating the abolition of coaching, but let players play, it's what they do..... All this bollards about tippy tappy posession football, formations etc, it's hogwash

Isn't that what the Germans were doing last night? Looked to me that they were pretty good at doing one touch football pass and move. Normal German team nothing flair just efficient.

One Teddy Maybank · Jul 9, 2014

Black Rod said:
Cole over Howedes perhaps. And at a push Joe Hart might make it as a third choice goalkeeper

Lahm would be the best left back in the English squad, the best right back in the English squad and the best holding midfielder in the English squad. That says it all

Joe Hart is very average. Ben Foster looks more capable internationally.

But yes agree with everything you've put.

nwgull · Jul 9, 2014

shaolinpunk said:
Which English players do you think would get into the Germany squad?

Certainly none into their first choice 11.

On a similar subject, and in response to the media ****-fest over Brazil during the past couple of weeks: I don't think that there was a single Brazil player in their team last night that I'd pick over England's first choice 11. They are that poor right now.

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