Are we fed up of the Scotland "it's all about me" in / out referendum.

16bha · Jun 4, 2014

What do we the English, Welsh and Northern Irish think?

keep them or let the buggers go....?

discuss

(ps can someone set up a poll as I haven't a clue?)

beorhthelm · Jun 4, 2014

funnily i over heard a Scotman chatting on the train the other day, apparently they are sick of it and barely talk of it. Media and Westminister obsession.

Eeyore · Jun 4, 2014

I don't think it's for us to decide.

That said, I cannot understand why such an important historical decision, with all its implications, is hinging on a 50+1. I would have thought a two to one majority could only regard the views of the public as in any way binding.

I fail to see how a country could claim a new constitutional status on the basis of potentially 49.9% of the population being in disagreement.

skipper734 · Jun 4, 2014

It's wrong for them and for us. But if they want to go then go, and make sure that people with a Scottish birth certificate can't sit in an English parliament.

vegster · Jun 5, 2014

It they go it will mean that England will inherit the mantle of " Joke Club " when it comes to UK football....... Please stay !

Tricky Dicky · Jun 5, 2014

Up to them. Would rather they stayed based on the "stronger together" notion, but it's their vote.

Dorset Seagull · Jun 5, 2014

I think you will find it is more about egotists wanting to leave a legacy rather than the will of the people

BattFink · Jun 5, 2014

I'm hoping that they vote to stay in the Union.

If that happens they should charge Alexander Salmond for treason

kjgood · Jun 5, 2014

I would rather they stay as I believe we are stronger together. But if the Scots decide to break away then they completely break away, no use of Sterling, insert border controls, Visa's to live/work in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as Scotland probably wouldnt pass the tests to be a member of the EU, no Scottish MP's, no funding from Westminster etc etc. Cant have it both ways........................but I hope Scotland votes no to separation.

Kumquat · Jun 5, 2014

Brighton Lines said:
I don't think it's for us to decide.

That said, I cannot understand why such an important historical decision, with all its implications, is hinging on a 50+1. I would have thought a two to one majority could only regard the views of the public as in any way binding.

I fail to see how a country could claim a new constitutional status on the basis of potentially 49.9% of the population being in disagreement.

It's potentially more than 50% of the country being in disagreement. Depends on the turnout. Agree absolutely with what you say. It's a fundamental decision and should be based on a different vote proportion, though exactly what I am not sure. Same on a vote on us leaving Europe.

Green Cross Code Man · Jun 5, 2014

I would like a vote on whether England should gain independence from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Seems only fair.

Kumquat · Jun 5, 2014

Green Cross Code Man said:
I would like a vote on whether England should gain independence from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Seems only fair.

There is an argument funnily enough for us to have a say on whether Scotland leaves. The impact will be huge on us, not least the fact that the Tories might dominate for a generation afterwards and large swathes of Northern england will wish they were in Scotland.

Aristotle · Jun 5, 2014

I hope they stay, and expect they will. I have no time for Alex Salmond - my wife's Scottish, we live in Birmingham, but she lived in Edinburgh her whole life until a couple of years ago and she can't vote in the referendum. Her family have been in Scotland for generations, but her parents are seriously considering leaving if the vote goes in favour of independence.

Sweetie · Jun 5, 2014

Pretty sure they will vote to stay and think it would be a disaster for them if they left. However, their choice and it they vote to go, then so be it. Labour must be bricking it mind.

Creaky · Jun 5, 2014

Kumquat said:
There is an argument funnily enough for us to have a say on whether Scotland leaves. The impact will be huge on us, not least the fact that the Tories might dominate for a generation afterwards and large swathes of Northern england will wish they were in Scotland.

That argument raises too many potential problems.

If the Scots voted to leave the Union and the rest of the Union said 'no' then essentially Scotland would become a colony - forced to stay in the Union against their will - simply not practical.

How many would accept an EU 'in/out' referendum where the rest of Europe could veto any decision for the UK to leave based on a vote held in the rest of the EU.

Pavilionaire · Jun 5, 2014

It's all about the currency. Nobody knows exactly what currency will be used in an independent Scotland. I can't see that the rest of the UK would be willing to let them use Sterling - there is no upside for England, Wales and Northern Ireland but a big downside if Scotland fails economically.

Also, Scotland traditionally votes left of centre, and we all know how the Left likes to spend other people's money.

Lenny Rider · Jun 5, 2014

Sat behind some Jocks at Wembley last Saturday and in between bouts struck up a conversation on the matter.

They reckoned it would be madness for the Scots to leave the Union, and thought the result of the vote would be around 65% to 35% in favour of staying.

Pavilionaire · Jun 5, 2014

I'm 45 and for almost all of my life a large proportion of the Scots have whinged about being ruled by Westminster whilst another large minority in the UK have whinged about being in Europe. With referendums on both issues coming up soon it will be nice to get the issue sorted once and for all, and move on.

Creaky · Jun 5, 2014

Pavilionaire said:
It's all about the currency. Nobody knows exactly what currency will be used in an independent Scotland. I can't see that the rest of the UK would be willing to let them use Sterling - there is no upside for England, Wales and Northern Ireland but a big downside if Scotland fails economically.

Also, Scotland traditionally votes left of centre, and we all know how the Left likes to spend other people's money.

The UK would not be able to stop the Scots from using sterling anymore than the US could stop them using the dollar.

Of course doing so would mean they'd have no control of interest rate policies or the like and it would be difficult for them to obtain international funding without their own currency.

As an interim measure though it is likely that an independent Scotland would continue to use Sterling, with or without the UK's agreement, until a new currency could be established - in the same way the US did after they gained Independence.

Kumquat · Jun 5, 2014

Creaky said:
That argument raises too many potential problems.

If the Scots voted to leave the Union and the rest of the Union said 'no' then essentially Scotland would become a colony - forced to stay in the Union against their will - simply not practical.

How many would accept an EU 'in/out' referendum where the rest of Europe could veto any decision for the UK to leave based on a vote held in the rest of the EU.

Agree. It certainly wouldn't be practical. Not legal either. Just raising the point than in principal there is something to be said that we should have some serious input on the basis of the impact it will have on us in the scottish case.

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