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    Should there be A EU REFERENDUM


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    Apologies if this has been done,but i did a search and all i could find was how would you vote etc.

    Its very simple......should there be a referendum

    you can argue until your boobies fall off what actually goes in the referendum but answer at a basic level yes or no
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      Yes, but the problem for political parties is that people would vote for leaving and a lot of their members would lose their vastly over-paid jobs. It's the turkey/Christmas scenario.
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      Yes, but the problem for political parties is that people would vote for leaving and a lot of their members would lose their vastly over-paid jobs. It's the turkey/Christmas scenario.
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      this is not what you agree with or dont agree with

      the vote is should there in principle be a referendum yes or no
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      No. Why have a general election to elect who you prefer based on a balanced bundle of policies and then hold a referendum on one of those policies alone? Why can't we have a referendum on keeping the NHS public or renationalising the railways or progressing the academy and free school program or serving sausages in the Houses of Parliament canteen? Parties should state clearly whether they will stay in or out of Europe and how that will effect their other policies based on the projected financial implications. Promising a referendum isn't brave, it's a cop out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guinness Boy View Post
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      No. Why have a general election to elect who you prefer based on a balanced bundle of policies and then hold a referendum on one of those policies alone? Why can't we have a referendum on keeping the NHS public or renationalising the railways or progressing the academy and free school program or serving sausages in the Houses of Parliament canteen? Parties should state clearly whether they will stay in or out of Europe and how that will effect their other policies based on the projected financial implications. Promising a referendum isn't brave, it's a cop out.
      And that's the attitude the 3 main parties have adopted for most my voting life. The result ? Well Thursday's election results are what happens and we've seen what mouth frothing, hand wringing and bed wetting has taken place because of that on here.

      As for a number of referendums - it's how the Swiss do it and they seem to manage.
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      No. Why have a general election to elect who you prefer based on a balanced bundle of policies and then hold a referendum on one of those policies alone? Why can't we have a referendum on keeping the NHS public or renationalising the railways or progressing the academy and free school program or serving sausages in the Houses of Parliament canteen? Parties should state clearly whether they will stay in or out of Europe and how that will effect their other policies based on the projected financial implications. Promising a referendum isn't brave, it's a cop out.
      I see what you are saying,but can you not see the tide has changed,we are at a crossroads of politics regarding the EU,surely a referendum for this generation who never had the chance to vote on in or our EU inclusion would at least be democratic.Perhaps i am wrong and living in cloud cuckoo land,i just dont see why its a problem asking for peoples opinions in a referendum on an issue this big.

      I am very anti Europe,i do believe however if it came to a vote the pro Europeans would win......so be it.......but lets at least have a chance to vote and sort this crap out once and for all!
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      And that's the attitude the 3 main parties have adopted for most my voting life. The result ? Well Thursday's election results are what happens
      What, UKIP gaining what would project as 17% of the national vote (and no seats) in a general election and that based on a low turn out and local elections that were neither nationwide nor proportional. OK then. Though UKIP wouldn't bother with the referendum they'd just take us out.

      and we've seen what mouth frothing, hand wringing and bed wetting has taken place because of that on here.
      Agreed. Some of the paranoid xenophobia, ill informed rhetoric and repetitive nonsense from the pro UKIP brigade has been embarrassing.

      As for a number of referendums - it's how the Swiss do it and they seem to manage.
      They are the only democratic nation in the world with that system and as a result their general election turnout is constantly below 50% (at which point I'd suggest the government doesn't have a mandate). Ours is nearer 66%.
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      And that's the attitude the 3 main parties have adopted for most my voting life. The result ? Well Thursday's election results are what happens and we've seen what mouth frothing, hand wringing and bed wetting has taken place because of that on here.

      As for a number of referendums - it's how the Swiss do it and they seem to manage.
      there is a lot to be said for the Swiss model,they actually love the fact they are called out every few months to vote on a referendum on this or that(and yes i know this for fact),.....back to the UK however everyone left or right should be appalled at the turnout for these elections.....makes you wonder why all of us on here argue with each other on these issues when most of the country doesnt give a shit......what is the point?
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      Not important chap

      this is not what you agree with or dont agree with

      the vote is should there in principle be a referendum yes or no
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      Though UKIP wouldn't bother with the referendum they'd just take us out.
      What was that you said about people being ill informed ?

      Well the UKIP "effect" has forced Clegg into a TV debate, Cameron to "promise" a referendum, the Greens to support a referendum and Cameron to consider inviting Farage into the live TV debates for the GE. Not too shabby for a fringe party with 17% of the vote.

      Besides, the main parties could wipe UKIP out overnight with a referendum but are either too stupid or too scared to do so ( especially Labour who are strangely silent on their policies on the EU ).
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