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Grabban's failure to sign for us - Oscar responsible?



Goldstone1976

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OK, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'll push on anyway.

Since the Jan transfer window a fair number of people have commented on what the reason(s) may be that Grabban didn't sign for us, with the single largest body of thought being that he never really intended to come to us; it was all a ploy to get 'Muff to offer a better contract.

I have now heard a rumour from two different sources (one a long standing fan in early Feb [meh, I know], and one employed by the club who is in a position to possibly know the truth in the last couple of days) that it was all set to go forward until Oscar declined to meet Grabban as a final step in the process, saying something like "I don't need to meet him; he's met all the people who need to meet him"; at which point Grabban is alleged to have declined to sign. Note: I didn't get the impression that OG was saying that he didn't want him, or that he wasn't involved; just that he had no need to meet him until he turned up for training.

I have a couple of questions:

1) Has anyone else heard this?
2) Does anyone believe it can possibly be true?

Personally, I can't believe that Oscar would have declined to meet a close-to-signature signing, but I throw it out there to see if anyone else has heard the same thing...

*ducks*
 




Fungus

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1) no
2) no
3) ffs
 


martin tyler

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Does not seem that likely. He appeared to meet Dale Stephens after all and Spanish Rodney. Grabban got a better paid contract at Bournmouth and chose to stay for the money. I also think he likes being the big fish in a smaller pond
 


LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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OK, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'll push on anyway.

Since the Jan transfer window a fair number of people have commented on what the reason(s) may be that Grabban didn't sign for us, with the single largest body of thought being that he never really intended to come to us; it was all a ploy to get 'Muff to offer a better contract.

I have now heard a rumour from two different sources (one a long standing fan in early Feb [meh, I know], and one employed by the club who is in a position to possibly know the truth in the last couple of days) that it was all set to go forward until Oscar declined to meet Grabban as a final step in the process, saying something like "I don't need to meet him; he's met all the people who need to meet him"; at which point Grabban is alleged to have declined to sign. Note: I didn't get the impression that OG was saying that he didn't want him, or that he wasn't involved; just that he had no need to meet him until he turned up for training.

I have a couple of questions:

1) Has anyone else heard this?
2) Does anyone believe it can possibly be true?

Personally, I can't believe that Oscar would have declined to meet a close-to-signature signing, but I throw it out there to see if anyone else has heard the same thing...

*ducks*

says it all
 






Seagull73

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Arrogance is not a quality that Oscar possesses, so "No!"

How do you know that, the public persona may well be just that, and he may be aloof and difficult behind closed doors.
Personally with what I have also heard about how OG felt overall about the January transfer window, this doesn't surprise me at all.

It could also be another sign that OG is far from happy with the work of a certain Mr Burke.
 


Guy Fawkes

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Well, quite. It's just weird that I would have been told it so recently by a club employee. Maybe that individual doesn't like Oscar? That would be perhaps be a more likely scenario...

Or an even more likely senario is that the employee heard the rumour from someone that was nothing to do with the club and just repeated it to you (it could have been overheard by one fan when being told to another, who passed it on to a third and so on until it reached this employee)

I doubt very much that the clubs employees are told much when it comes to the day to day running of the club (other than what concerns them directly) or the comings and goings of any players or managers and what they said, did or didn't do
 




Seagull73

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Or an even more likely senario is that the employee heard the rumour from someone that was nothing to do with the club and just repeated it to you (it could have been overheard by one fan when being told to another, who passed it on to a third and so on until it reached this employee)

I doubt very much that the clubs employees are told much when it comes to the day to day running of the club (other than what concerns them directly) or the comings and goings of any players or managers and what they said, did or didn't do

I think then, that you would be very VERY surprised!
 


Goldstone1976

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Or an even more likely senario is that the employee heard the rumour from someone that was nothing to do with the club and just repeated it to you (it could have been overheard by one fan when being told to another, who passed it on to a third and so on until it reached this employee)

I doubt very much that the clubs employees are told much when it comes to the day to day running of the club (other than what concerns them directly) or the comings and goings of any players or managers and what they said, did or didn't do

Yep, that's also possible.

The individual concerned could just know - they are loosely linked to the playing side of the club, which is why I gave it any credence at all.
 






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It's just a rumour so not worth much. All I would say is that if I was a player signing for a football club Gus Poyet would impress me about ten times more than Oscar Garcia on first meeting. Not saying one is better than the other overall, but this is something that Gus was particularly good at doing, the signing of CMS being a prime example, where we got a player for less money than others were offering him becuase he wanted to sign for the the vision that Gus has painted him.
 


fat old seagull

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What's the point? Grabbans still at Bournemouth, Oscar is doing ok here. Blaming Oscar isn't really fair if you don't know for sure. And in honesty he has scored a few just recently, but prior to that was getting slagged off. I don't think he's that hot myself. Certainly no better than we have already.:smile:
 


Stumpy Tim

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How do you know that, the public persona may well be just that, and he may be aloof and difficult behind closed doors.
Personally with what I have also heard about how OG felt overall about the January transfer window, this doesn't surprise me at all.

It could also be another sign that OG is far from happy with the work of a certain Mr Burke.

He's definitely not arrogant. Shy yes, arrogant no
 




skipper734

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I must be imagining it, but I am sure that there was a statement not a quote by, I think David Burke at one of the supporters club meetings stating, that at the time Grabban returned to Bournemouth, they hadn't even got as far as talking about money.
So I am firmly in the Grabban fishing expedition camp.
 


Betfair Bozo

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Seems unlikely. Also seems unlikely that Grabban would be the type to care anyway! He'll be back off to Palace in the summer for yet another improved contract.
 


Seagull73

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He's definitely not arrogant. Shy yes, arrogant no

I wasn't saying he was one thing or the other because I don't know. I'm just saying that to make a statement that he is not arrogant or shy or aloof or difficult is supposition only unless you work with him day-in, day-out.
 


Goldstone1976

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You didn't get this rumour off Ben's Grandad did you?

Given the age of the fan, I'm guessing not!

What's the point? Grabbans still at Bournemouth, Oscar is doing ok here. Blaming Oscar isn't really fair if you don't know for sure. And in honesty he has scored a few just recently, but prior to that was getting slagged off. I don't think he's that hot myself. Certainly no better than we have already.:smile:

I didn't mean to blame Oscar; I'm in the Oscar "in" camp. If it were true, I would put it down to cultural differences rather than a deliberate sleight. The point? Just to see if anyone had heard the same thing, s'all. I left it until I'd heard it from two different people who aren't connected (afaik), but do accept that the second person may have heard it from someone who doesn't know either and just passed it on, as Guy Fawkes has pointed out.
 




Biscuit

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I think that's nonsense. It could be said that Garcia doesn't possess the magnetic personality/player attraction qualities that Poyet had but I'm sure that hasn't cost us the transfer of Grabban. It was so obviously a ploy for a better contract at Bournemouth.
 


Munkfish

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I am personally glad we didnt sign him, I think it was another signing forced upon him.

I think this summer we will see a slight change in transfer policy but Oscar has commentetted several times he knows the players and the league now and knows what we require.

I still think Burke will be the main man, but a lot more input from Oscar.

Plus you never know who he is eyeing up in the DS.
 



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