Palace have over achieved and Brighton have disappointed why?

Return of the Rev · Apr 7, 2014

Have the fans been the difference,the palace support in vocal terms has been amazing in comparison to the larger but stifled brighton crowds,has this played a part in each clubs fortunes this season,and the palace performances were not great at the start but the fans have carried them through,if we had that level of vocal support where might we be

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Bladders · Apr 7, 2014

I reckon we would be 8th in Championship.

Blue Valkyrie · Apr 7, 2014

No, we have not underachieved because of the fans.

The blame for underachievement lies at the door of a certain individual and his behind the scenes shenanigans. Well rid of him.

Geriatric Seagull · Apr 7, 2014

Why? Because they recognized that their existing manager (who had taken them to promotion) was not going to keep them up and replaced him with someone capable of achieving their aim for the season.

nicko31 · Apr 7, 2014

Palace have over-achieved as they are basically very well run, the fans have helped but they the key points are..

They bought the club on the cheap in a fire sale
They got Dougie on the cheap (all but got them promoted)
They got our best asset for nothing
Now they've appointed one of the best operators in the English game

If they've got any sense sell the club to the highest bidder..

As for us its a journey, we're building on sound fundamentals and we will get there

Paul Reids Sock · Apr 7, 2014

I don't think you can say is because of the fans. It's probably split 50/50 between players that say the fans make a difference and those that don't. Palace players are just as likely to walk out and see empty seats and think 'oh that's nice then' as they are to take a note of the atmosphere. Equally Brighton players are just as likely to look at the stands and say 'wow, thanks for the support' as they are to listening out for the pin dropping at times

fat old seagull · Apr 7, 2014

Simple to me... He might look daft in a teenagers headgear, but Pulis is the difference. He has transformed Palarse and I admire him for that, I only wish he'd done it here.

BRIGHT ON Q · Apr 7, 2014

Palace have not over achieved,once you get to the premiership it is all about getting in the right players and they have done that,coupled with the fact they got Pulis in as well.Good luck to them.

Notters · Apr 7, 2014

I don't think Palace have overachieved and I don't think we've disappointed.

Mo Gosfield · Apr 7, 2014

Geriatric Seagull said:
Why? Because they recognized that their existing manager (who had taken them to promotion) was not going to keep them up and replaced him with someone capable of achieving their aim for the season.

Yes. Agree.
Funny how the much maligned ' dinosaurs ' of English football...Pulis, Allardyce, Bruce etc are all doing solid jobs in consolidating their clubs in the PL, whilst most other chairmen are rushing headlong into recruiting foreign managers/coaches with little or no experience at this level.
Palace backed his record and it has paid off.
It has nothing to do with fans. We have been very unlucky with injuries to key players. The new manager has not been able to get into a settled routine. He has been too cautious but that has probably been brought about due to weakness within the squad, a lack of regular strikers and firepower, hence a tendency to keep games tight due to our inability to score in clusters.

trueblue · Apr 7, 2014

Palace are well run. Palace backed Pulis's record. Come off it. They almost blew appointing him in the first place because they were quibbling over the money and there are still strong rumours that he and the Chairman are at odds. One knows what it takes to stay in the Premier League and the other doesn't. Palace's summer was pretty much the epitome of how not to prepare for a Premier League season! They've done brilliantly to rescue it but more by luck than judgment - basically it's down to the one guy there who seems to have a clue.

loz · Apr 7, 2014

trueblue said:
Palace are well run. Palace backed Pulis's record. Come off it. They almost blew appointing him in the first place because they were quibbling over the money and there are still strong rumours that he and the Chairman are at odds. One knows what it takes to stay in the Premier League and the other doesn't. Palace's summer was pretty much the epitome of how not to prepare for a Premier League season! They've done brilliantly to rescue it but more by luck than judgment - basically it's down to the one guy there who seems to have a clue.

Isn’t that art of good management, knowing what’s gone / going wrong and the recognizing the fact, then sitting down and making sure the right steps are taken to put things right?? If that takes 4 weeks and the problem is solved, then Imo that’s good management.

trueblue · Apr 7, 2014

loz said:
Isn’t that art of good management, knowing what’s gone / going wrong and the recognizing the fact, then sitting down and making sure the right steps are taken to put things right?? If that takes 4 weeks and the problem is solved, then Imo that’s good management.

So it's good management to waste a fortune on a whole squad of new players because you've got no long term plan. Then thrash around desperately trying to find a cheaper alternative to a candidate with proven premier league experience (At one point they were on the brink of taking Iain Dowie back) before finally accepting that your credibility will be shot forever if you do that and go cap in hand to the original candidate after wasting weeks. And then spend even more money in January (wisely this time).

Gosh. Yes. I hope our club can be run as well as that one day.

Simster · Apr 7, 2014

Yawn. Rev in "tiresome prick" shock.

Grombleton · Apr 7, 2014

Blue Valkyrie said:
The blame for underachievement lies at the door of a certain individual and his behind the scenes shenanigans. Well rid of him.

What shenanigans would those be?

Mo Gosfield · Apr 7, 2014

trueblue said:
Palace are well run. Palace backed Pulis's record. Come off it. They almost blew appointing him in the first place because they were quibbling over the money and there ahttp://www.northstandchat.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6276081re still strong rumours that he and the Chairman are at odds. One knows what it takes to stay in the Premier League and the other doesn't. Palace's summer was pretty much the epitome of how not to prepare for a Premier League season! They've done brilliantly to rescue it but more by luck than judgment - basically it's down to the one guy there who seems to have a clue.

Parish and his cronies came in pretty green behind the ears and to some extent it was ' seat of the pants ' management to start with, particularly with Holloway still there. But they seemed to have learnt pretty quickly what was required, made the change and then let the new man put his organisational skills in place. I am not putting it down to luck. They could have started with Holloway, to see how it went but they made a quick, bold decision and are now reaping the rewards and continuing to widen the financial gap between the two clubs.

trueblue · Apr 7, 2014

Holloway made the decision to leave. And also made it clear he was utterly demoralised by the club's complete lack of transfer strategy. Their 'quick, bold decision' then rumbled on for weeks at the risk of losing the one obvious candidate that would sort things out. It's pretty clear who's running the show (reports suggested Pulis even came close to quitting in Jan because they continued to argue against his judgment).

If the Palace fans I know are correct, he'll be off as soon as a better run club comes along.

Yes, they got the right man in the end and TP has done brilliantly to turn them around. We could learn a fair bit from the support too. But can the owners really claim the credit? I'm sure like a lot of managers in other professions they will try, when in fact all they've done is appointed a person who's actually got some talent to mask their own organisational shortcomings.

Pulis could be Manager of the Year, no question. The rest is reflected glory.

loz · Apr 7, 2014

trueblue said:
So it's good management to waste a fortune on a whole squad of new players because you've got no long term plan. Then thrash around desperately trying to find a cheaper alternative to a candidate with proven premier league experience (At one point they were on the brink of taking Iain Dowie back) before finally accepting that your credibility will be shot forever if you do that and go cap in hand to the original candidate after wasting weeks. And then spend even more money in January (wisely this time).

Gosh. Yes. I hope our club can be run as well as that one day.

A lot of what you a saying there is hearsay rather than fact. The fact is they waited until they were sure they had the right man, employed him and let him manage the football side...which he has very successfully.

The part about the new playing squad is a ok’ish argument but most of that “whole squad” are still in the 25 and as they only spent 18mill which is a fraction of spend by practically all other premiership teams. We can argue till we are blue in the face, but if they stay up with the weakest squad and the smallest wage bill as well as the smallest transfer spend they have done a really good job.

loz · Apr 7, 2014

trueblue said:
Holloway made the decision to leave. And also made it clear he was utterly demoralised by the club's complete lack of transfer strategy. Their 'quick, bold decision' then rumbled on for weeks at the risk of losing the one obvious candidate that would sort things out. It's pretty clear who's running the show (reports suggested Pulis even came close to quitting in Jan because they continued to argue against his judgment).

If the Palace fans I know are correct, he'll be off as soon as a better run club comes along.

Yes, they got the right man in the end and TP has done brilliantly to turn them around. We could learn a fair bit from the support too. But can the owners really claim the credit? I'm sure like a lot of managers in other professions they will try, when in fact all they've done is appointed a person who's actually got some talent to mask their own organisational shortcomings.

Pulis could be Manager of the Year, no question. The rest is reflected glory.

You really must stop reading the Daily mirror and Sun Football gossip columns.

pauldcpfc · Apr 7, 2014

Paul Reids Sock said:
I don't think you can say is because of the fans. It's probably split 50/50 between players that say the fans make a difference and those that don't. Palace players are just as likely to walk out and see empty seats and think 'oh that's nice then' as they are to take a note of the atmosphere. Equally Brighton players are just as likely to look at the stands and say 'wow, thanks for the support' as they are to listening out for the pin dropping at times

I'm not saying this because it's Palace, but if you watched the likes of Sunderland and West Ham (and indeed Cardiff on Saturday), every time a player tries something creative and it doesn't come off, the fans are up and booing and making gestures at the players and the manager.

At Palace, players like Zaha (and to an extent, Bolasie) got support from the fans for trying something different. Bolasie can go 6-7 games where nothing comes off, and then do something incredible, like tearing Ivanovic apart. Puncheon put a penalty into the atmosphere, but his name was cheered the very next game and he went on to score the winner. There aren't many mercenary players in the squad either, and they have to earn their names being used in a chant. It's why Holloway never had one, and why only the last few games has "Tony Pulis's Red and Blue Army" been sung.

Players appreciate support, and a noisy, boisterous stadium where the team get support makes some sort of difference.

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