Can someone tell me how...

Simster · Mar 11, 2014

...a copper gets away with a community order for this:

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2014-03-11/policeman-who-punched-woman-in-the-head-is-sentenced/

Seems wrong to me.

TWOCHOICEStom · Mar 11, 2014

Jesus. Looks like a horrible man.

sam86 · Mar 11, 2014

PC James Kiddie has been dismissed from the Metropolitan Police.

Well lets just hope this makes it a real struggle to get another job.

Mackenzie · Mar 11, 2014

Shocking stuff.

:nono:

Mellotron · Mar 11, 2014

Please hear me out because I am NOT defending the guy, but...

Police have to deal with scum pretty much all the time. Being taunted, abused, punched and kicked etc, while being expected to remain totally non-violent themselves throughout.

I'm not defending the guy, but what I'm saying is that I'm surprised you don't hear more stories of Police brutality. If you pulled over a drunk driver who was doing 80mph in a 30 zone with schools etc, are you telling me you honestly wouldn't be tempted to give the c*** a dig in the ribs? I'm very impressed by the restraint of coppers in most of these instances.

albion534 · Mar 11, 2014

Mellotron said:
Please hear me out because I am NOT defending the guy, but...

Police have to deal with scum pretty much all the time. Being taunted, abused, punched and kicked etc, while being expected to remain totally non-violent themselves throughout.

I'm not defending the guy, but what I'm saying is that I'm surprised you don't hear more stories of Police brutality. If you pulled over a drunk driver who was doing 80mph in a 30 zone with schools etc, are you telling me you honestly wouldn't be tempted to give the c*** a dig in the ribs? I'm very impressed by the restraint of coppers in most of these instances.

im inclined to agree

especially if someone bit my finger and said they had AIDS....id chin the fooooker

Kumquat · Mar 11, 2014

Mellotron said:
Please hear me out because I am NOT defending the guy, but...

Police have to deal with scum pretty much all the time. Being taunted, abused, punched and kicked etc, while being expected to remain totally non-violent themselves throughout.

I'm not defending the guy, but what I'm saying is that I'm surprised you don't hear more stories of Police brutality. If you pulled over a drunk driver who was doing 80mph in a 30 zone with schools etc, are you telling me you honestly wouldn't be tempted to give the c*** a dig in the ribs? I'm very impressed by the restraint of coppers in most of these instances.

I agree with what you say that many are very restrained in the face of provocation and w eprobably don't hear about those cases as much, but they are supposed to be restrained and when they are not, as in this case, they should face the consequences. It will be interesting to see what the police do i.e. whether they just take the view of the court or punish him further internally. The pictures don't look good, but still pictures can be misleading to some degree.

gripper stebson · Mar 11, 2014

TWOCHOICEStom said:
Jesus. Looks like a horrible man.

I'm glad there was a full stop in the middle of that sentence... would have led to a 30 page thread otherwise!

Cheeky Monkey · Mar 11, 2014

Mellotron said:
Please hear me out because I am NOT defending the guy, but...

Police have to deal with scum pretty much all the time. Being taunted, abused, punched and kicked etc, while being expected to remain totally non-violent themselves throughout.

I'm not defending the guy, but what I'm saying is that I'm surprised you don't hear more stories of Police brutality. If you pulled over a drunk driver who was doing 80mph in a 30 zone with schools etc, are you telling me you honestly wouldn't be tempted to give the c*** a dig in the ribs? I'm very impressed by the restraint of coppers in most of these instances.

Agreed. I'd be dismissed within seconds of my first arrest.

Wellesley · Mar 11, 2014

Disgusting.

Man of Harveys · Mar 11, 2014

It's clear that she suffered a nasty but entirely accidental fall. Either that or she walked into the door.

dougdeep · Mar 11, 2014

Power corrupts...

algie · Mar 11, 2014

Mellotron said:
Please hear me out because I am NOT defending the guy, but...

Police have to deal with scum pretty much all the time. Being taunted, abused, punched and kicked etc, while being expected to remain totally non-violent themselves throughout.

I'm not defending the guy, but what I'm saying is that I'm surprised you don't hear more stories of Police brutality. If you pulled over a drunk driver who was doing 80mph in a 30 zone with schools etc, are you telling me you honestly wouldn't be tempted to give the c*** a dig in the ribs? I'm very impressed by the restraint of coppers in most of these instances.

Sorry have to disagree. You go through a lot of training to be a police officer and there's no excuse for that level of violence on a woman no matter how much you dress it up. I hope he is sacked. You can't have ********s like this trying to bring there own version of law and order.

geniarse · Mar 11, 2014

Completely disagree with the majority. He should be awarded a medal. Fact - she's a known shoplifter to feed her drug habit. She is outside what most people (hopefully) would consider decent society. She is resisting arrest. Live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Creaky · Mar 11, 2014

Boy - there are some high and mighty comments on this thread - the woman was known as being violent, was aggresive before the police arrived and became more so when they did, had bit the police officer and claimed she had AIDS - no mention of how hard the officer is supposed to have hit her nor if she suffered any injuries - he now has a criminal record, could well lose his job and you think that's lenient!

Received cuffs around the earholes on a couple of occasions as a lad - I reckon you guys would be calling for the death penalty if a copper did that these days!

Cheeky Monkey · Mar 11, 2014

Brett Easton Ellis nailed the human race in American Psycho. There are very few who don't have the propensity to overstep the mark given the right set of circumstances, or like Patrick Bateman, at least have the capacity to fantasize about it.

Easy to judge the officer, but stand in his shoes for a time before you do it from the chairs of your office jobs, far removed from the frontline.

Mellotron · Mar 11, 2014

algie said:
Sorry have to disagree. You go through a lot of training to be a police officer and there's no excuse for that level of violence on a woman no matter how much you dress it up. I hope he is sacked. You can't have ********s like this trying to bring there own version of law and order.

You didn't read my post in full. I wasn't defending him.

edna krabappel · Mar 11, 2014

Kumquat said:
It will be interesting to see what the police do i.e. whether they just take the view of the court or punish him further internally

They'll dismiss him, of course they will. He's been convicted of a criminal assault.

Kumquat · Mar 11, 2014

edna krabappel said:
They'll dismiss him, of course they will. He's been convicted of a criminal assault.

Yes, of course. think you're almost certainly right.

Bold Seagull · Mar 11, 2014

Cheeky Monkey said:
Brett Easton Ellis nailed the human race in American Psycho. There are very few who don't have the propensity to overstep the mark given the right set of circumstances, or like Patrick Bateman, at least have the capacity to fantasize about it.

Easy to judge the officer, but stand in his shoes for a time before you do it from the chairs of your office jobs, far removed from the frontline.

Doesn't Ellis leave the novel open as to whether Bateman was sociopath and committed the crimes or just a fantasist? (I've not seen the film...). Then again, I'm sure he left that deliberately ambiguous.

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